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Old 06-18-2010, 09:23 AM   #31
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Okay, not discrimination then - you simply didn't like the moderation. Glad we got that cleared up.
 
Old 06-18-2010, 09:26 AM   #32
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Okay, not discrimination then - you simply didn't like the moderation. Glad we got that cleared up.
I hold the view that the moderator discriminated against the OP for not using English. That's the view I hold. I respect that you don't agree with that.

If only so much effort had been put into understanding the guy, rather than bitching about his lack of English, what a wonderful place this would be :-) "I have a dream....."
 
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:31 AM   #33
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I hold the view that the moderator discriminated against the OP for not using English. That's the view I hold. I respect that you don't agree with that.
Since I've given several reasons why it isn't discrimination under any legal sense, I hold you to be wrong. But, as you say, it's a free world and you're free to be as wrong as you like.

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If only so much effort had been put into understanding the guy, rather than bitching about his lack of English, what a wonderful place this would be :-) "I have a dream....."
It's an english-speaking site, the usefulness of which is measured by the ability of the majority to understand the posts. It's not unreasonable to require posters to post in english, which was stated. End of.
 
Old 06-18-2010, 09:36 AM   #34
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Does it say anywhere in Arabic that it is an English speaking site? End of ;-)
 
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:39 AM   #35
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Does it say anywhere in Arabic that it is an English speaking site? End of ;-)
Since most people have eyes, does it really need to?
 
Old 06-18-2010, 09:45 AM   #36
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I have eyes and I know what a Mars Bar is, yet it still has an Arabic description on the back. Also I tend to question your skills at making decisions as to what is and is not discrimination. I'm assuming you are legally qualified to make that claim?

I'm confused why the government here offer their website in Welsh, offer forms in multiple languages, and offer interpreters for non English speakers if they do not have any legal need to do so under the race relations act. But like I said, IANAL - but equally, neither are you? right?

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Old 06-18-2010, 09:49 AM   #37
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The OP's ethnicity, race or gender in no way prevents him from learning english. Its's much the same as it not being discrimination to prevent me from flying the space shuttle without the appropriate training. If, on the other hand, the moderator has said "I'm sorry, you appear to not be white, we can't help you" - *that's* discrimination. There is a difference in the two scenarios which you seem unable or unwilling to grasp.

Is it discrimination to prevent a dentist from performing open heart surgery?

If we're down to the stage where I require certification to be able to state the blindly obvious, I believe you're done.
 
Old 06-18-2010, 09:53 AM   #38
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Again, are you a lawyer specialising in the Race Relations Act or just offering your opinion on it? I don't see that in your follow up?

I'll take that as a 'no' and yes, we are done - unless you now want to play 'last witty word'. Go on, you have it. I don't have the need myself. Be my guest...

{insert witty follow-up with put down}
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:58 AM   #39
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Spampig - are you genuinely this obtuse or are you merely bored and trolling? Genuine question, by the way. The RRA only applies to the UK. LQ is hosted in the US and therefore falls under it's rules. UK law is absolutely irrelevant to this discussion. Seriously son, if you don't actually have anything intelligent to add to the thread it would be best for you just not to bother responding to it. Without your insistence on writing response after response about nothing, this thread could have been salvaged, as it is it will have to be closed because you ruined it for everyone.

Well done.
 
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This is an English speaking forum.

That's because English is the "standard" technical language and a lot of people know it.

It's not like every member must learn Arabic just because one member decided to post in Arabic.
 
Old 06-18-2010, 10:02 AM   #41
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Do you dust out the abuse when you don't agree with somebody else? Or do you just save it when someone stands up to a moderator? Really, grab a rope and hold on before you vanish up your own rear end Son.
 
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:05 AM   #42
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Again, are you a lawyer specialising in the Race Relations Act or just offering your opinion on it? I don't see that in your follow up?

I'll take that as a 'no' and yes, we are done - unless you now want to play 'last witty word'. Go on, you have it. I don't have the need myself. Be my guest...
Aside from the fact that The Race Relations Act isn't applicable for a website in the United States, why don't you see the difference between the two scenarios below?

1. Denying a service, role or product to someone because they, though their own choice, do not have the appropriate skill-set to take advantage of that service, role or product is *not* discrimination.

2. Denying a service, role or product to someone because of their age, race, ethnicity, gender or some other means that they cannot help under any means, such as skin-colour or gender and are disallowed of taking advantage of that service, role or product because of that, *is* discrimination.

If I didn't have a driver's license and drove a car, it would be a pretty poor defense if I chose not to get a driver's license and then screamed discrimination at the nearest police officer that pulled me over.

I really can't put it in any simpler context for you. Sorry.
 
Old 06-18-2010, 10:05 AM   #43
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Again, are you a lawyer specialising in the Race Relations Act or just offering your opinion on it? I don't see that in your follow up?

I'll take that as a 'no' and yes, we are done - unless you now want to play 'last witty word'. Go on, you have it. I don't have the need myself. Be my guest...
If you don't have the need, why have you continued?

Sorry, but there's nothing wrong with what the moderator said, how it was said, or why. This is an English-speaking forum, because the people that created it decided that's what they wanted. They aren't keeping anyone, anywhere, from posting to it, except in other languages. That's not discrimination; discrimination would be if they said "Sorry, you can't post at all here, since I see you're coming from an Arabic speaking country", or "Get out, you're Swedish". Clear communication is needed for anything to effectively happen, from computers to people. If I decided to write my own TCP/IP protocol, I can't whine about being discriminated against when no one else uses it. If I want to communicate, I need to use the language that's understood. Not even the OP has said he felt discriminated against, but you're off on a rant about it.

No one is in any way keeping anyone from starting up the same forum in whatever language they want. Personally, I think there would be a HUGE benefit if someone DID crank up LinuxQuestions in several other languages. That's a huge undertaking, though. Are you volunteering?
 
Old 06-18-2010, 10:15 AM   #44
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FWIW, the policy is in no way targeted at Arabic and is quite obviously not discrimination (legally or otherwise). As the founder and person solely responsible for content in the end (safe harbor provisions aside) I've made the decision from day one that since English is the de-facto language for Linux *and* that we can not accommodate all languages, all content must be posted in English so that we can insure all posts abide by the LQ rules. Your comparison to Government provided services is specious for multiple reasons.

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FWIW, the policy is in no way targeted at Arabic and is quite obviously not discrimination (legally or otherwise). As the founder and person solely responsible for content in the end (safe harbor provisions aside) I've made the decision from day one that since English is the de-facto language for Linux *and* that we can not accommodate all languages, all content must be posted in English so that we can insure all posts abide by the LQ rules. Your comparison to Government provided services is specious for multiple reasons.

--jeremy
Thank you, Jeremy. Not only for that post, but for the site itself.
 
  


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