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Old 03-19-2004, 02:00 PM   #46
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to continue......
Did you hear test sound NO
Automatic detection of sound card did not work
Audio will not work on the system
please click OK to continue.

So it cannot find my 'sound card' details of which were given in an earlier posting.
regards Cliff
 
Old 03-19-2004, 02:03 PM   #47
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Thanks for input Marc A. The only place I am posting questions is here, I am confused enough without input from several threads.
I am getting a good response and think I am making progress but its a bit like pulling hen's teeth
Cliff
 
Old 03-19-2004, 02:08 PM   #48
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Hi bigjohn as you can see i am still trying to solve the sound card problem but at the same time trying to get the Internet connection up and running.
It is (will be) a dial up connection, no broadband here.
I have configured the address etc in Ximian and that seems OK but the system does not find my modem.
Zoom V92 USB Fax Modem
I have search for information on how to find it but so far unsuccessful.
I need to do some more thinking following your input, I'll be back
regards Cliff
 
Old 03-19-2004, 02:13 PM   #49
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Hi BigDummy,
All of my attempts have been from CD. The most successful is RedHat which I got when I bought the Red Hat 9 Linux Bible.
Having had numerous difficulties, and learned a lot in the process I have settled on RedHat to try and get a fully functional system.
I must add that before settling on RedHat I did remove all traces of earlier distros and produced Linux partitions from the auto partition software.
Thanks for your input
regards Cliff
 
Old 03-20-2004, 04:27 AM   #50
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Back to the theme of Absolute Basics
Three questions;-

1. How can I get a list if commands and there meaning/what they do for RedHat 9 ??

2. How can I access the list of sound cards which RedHat 9 will recognise ??

3. How can I access the list of Modems which will be recognised/detected by RedHat 9
 
Old 03-20-2004, 11:27 AM   #51
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OK, so if you've settled on redhat (personally, I found redhat too "business" and mandrake considerably more friendly - it's more aimed at the desktop) anyway, back to your questions.

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1. How can I get a list if commands and there meaning/what they do for RedHat 9 ??
No/probably not, most of the lists of commands that are available tend to be stuff taken from places like O'Reilly publications - though you may find something here - as your net access is via windows, then you'll probably have to get the PDF format doc's (and adobe acrobat, or some other PDF reader) and print them off.

If you check out the link's for "rute user" in my sig - I've heard lot's of people say it's an excellent guide (you can also get it as a hard copy book). Also, you've probably got the "man" pages installed as default - but they can seem very intimidating, so there's also a link in my sig about how you decypher them - As far as I know, all the commands have a man page.

Your quest for a book will only give you either the basic's or the specific's. A good example would be to look at the man page for "tar" (as in when installing from source)
Code:
man tar
then think about a "typical" command to unpack the "tar"ball, say something like
Code:
tar -zxvf /home/john/whatever.tar.gz
you've issued the tar command, but with 4 different "arguements" i.e. zxvf and if you look at the man page for tar and scroll down, I think it's under options, you'll see each of the letters zxvf is telling the tar command to do something different, and all that's before you've even told it where the file to unpack is, and what it's called i.e. /home/john/whatever plus you've confirmed for the tar command that it's a tar file that's packed up with the gzip compression facility hence the .gz ending

So imagine what you'd need to be able to decypher every conceivable command. You'd need a book on just the tar command. You wouldn't be buying just a book, you'd be getting a whole f*****g library hence my pointing you towards the man pages and the link from my sig on how to decypher them. Or just try "googling" for man pages - there's lots of explanatory stuff there.

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2. How can I access the list of sound cards which RedHat 9 will recognise ??
Because you're dealing with a VIA chip that is an AC97 device, it may not be doing just the sound, but that's the bit you want to configure - you may have to get the latest driver for it from the VIA site. You could try doing the command
Code:
lsmod
as root in a terminal - you'd have to make sure that they system has the AC97_codec installed (my system -mandrake- installed it even though I've got my onboard sound disabled at the BIOS, and it's pointing at the driver for my soundblaster sound card), you'll see that from the "lsmod" command.

You might find a list of cards/devices, at the hardware compatibility list section of the redhat site - but if it's anything like the mandrake hcl, it's not going to be as exhaustive as you might hope.

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3. How can I access the list of Modems which will be recognised/detected by RedHat 9
Again, the hcl, linked above. But, because you're using an external modem, it may not be listed. If it's a "proper" modem, and not just some sort of winmodem then if your usb system is seeing it, it should just work (theoretically - well, that's normally with serial/parallel devices). You'd just have to make sure that your usb system see's it. The only snag being that as with my scanner, because it's a usb model, it doesn't tend to show up with commands like lsmod and dmesg - it shows the whole system, but only the stuff "inside the box".

Sorry if all that sounds a little generalised - but to be fair, you've got a shit load of reading ahead of you.

I'll suggest something else though. I appreciate that you're looking into redhat 9 at the moment, but you may or may not have noticed, that Mandrake have released mandrake 10 community.

Don't even think about trying that. The identifyer of "community" is telling you that it's the testing version.

I've had my life made very easy for me with mandrake, by using boxed set's.

So my suggestion is that you wait, until Mandrake release mandrake 10 official. Then order a powerpack version. I promise you, it's worth the money. It'll be up to date, kde 3.2, a 2.6 kernel, ALSA sound, etc etc. But it should pretty well be install, and bingo, you're up and running (that's not guaranteed, but if you hard disc's are SATA type disc's then it should have full support for them - redhat 9 has been around a while etc etc).

In the mean time, keep plugging away. Or, if, like me, you're too impatient, then if you've got access to a burner, under windows, download (or you can probably order it from cheeplinux), the latest knoppix. That way, you can boot it, and see if it detects all the hardware (and knoppix, arguabley, has the best linux hardware detection available). If it see's everything, then you can install that to the hard drive. Google for the knoppix forum's, there's ton's of help, assistance, idea's and howto's.

And at least you won't have to wait to start using linux in anger.

regards

John

p.s. If you do try using the lsmod and/or dmesg (as root, don't forget) and it seems that your usb system is being seen, then have a look into modem dialers (kppp comes to mind, that's in kde, not sure what's available under gnome - I don't use it) it might be a case of just telling your system where to look to see the modem.

And You also may want to see which sound facility/drivers your system is trying to use OSS (the older ones) or ALSA (the newer facility - which can be found if you google for ALSA)
 
Old 03-20-2004, 11:44 AM   #52
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Cliff,

BigJohn is right on the money with the list of hardware. As to a list of commands, I highly recommend O'Reilly's "Linux in a Nutshell" as it is Linux specific, not distro specific (however it does have a Redhat and Debian section).

One thing I'd like to point out, and I believe BigJohn has said this before, is that there are many different flavors of Linux...Redhat, Mandrake, SuSe, Debian, Slackware...yadda yadda yadda. Me, I like Redhat. BigJohn is pro Mandrake. Others will tell you that getting the source codes and compiling your own is the best way. Well...the best way is what works for you. I tried Mandrake 7.2, SuSe, and Redhat 7.2 before settling on Redhat. If you like RH9.0, stick with it. If you have the opportunity to try another flavor, do so. Each one will have differences, but all should be pretty much the same when you get to the base componets.

Just my two cents worth.

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Old 03-20-2004, 11:14 PM   #53
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I'm gonna disagree with the Nytehawk on getting o'Really's Linux in a nutshell (and o'Really's Running linux for that matter).

Not because they're bad or crap, but unless you are very into "geekspeak" I found them to be rather unhelpful in my early stages of learning - well, they still are.

I'd suggest that if you (Cliff) have a good "technical bookshop" in your bit of North London, then go there and spend a while looking through them, and see if there's one you're comfortable with. When I first posted a Q about which book, lot's of people here recommended some of the "Sam's" series as being good - but with no decent local tech bookshop to check (and books at PCworld are pretty limited), I didn't want to throw more money at mail order.

Hence I just keep digging around the web (and yes, getting frustrated as f**k when linux types have difficulty in writing in "English", as opposed to "geek") and use web based advice/help (lot of time spent here, and at the mandrakeusers.org/gentoo forums sites).

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regards

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Old 03-21-2004, 01:37 PM   #54
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Thanks for the 'heads up' on O'Reilly, I have been browsing and found 60 pages of commands in Linux Certification in a Nutshell. I know it is not a complete list but a very good starter.
If I know the command that I want to query then I can use Man pages. I am making progress !!.
I have found a way to list the Sound Cards which are recognised by my system, it is via /usr/sbin/sndconfig.
Although this does not find my card and I don't hear the test sample it does give the list I need. One of these is the SB Live 5.1 was mentioned by bigjohn, so I will try to get that tomorrow.
I know it will be necessary to turn off the Motherboard sound from within BIOS before installing the card.
To all contributors let me just say that although I don't always acknowledge your input in detail I do take note and explore every suggestion.
I am still unable to sort out the Modem problem. I have again tried Knoppix and Feather Linux but neither of them are able to find a modem on my system. I guess I could try an internal modem, lsmod might then show the card.
i am also looking at the ASDL route but await response from BT who are having trouble with the wet string they use for connections.
regards Cliff
 
Old 03-22-2004, 01:05 AM   #55
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the soundblaster live is straight forward Cliff (it must be for me to have managed to get it working), the only thing you may have to check if/when you "go for it" is that under 9.1, it always set the Audigy() driver as default under mandrake 9.1, it just meant that I had to change it so it was using the emu10k1 driver. Under 10 community, it offered me the choice of emu10k1 and snd-emu10k1 - If I understand it correctly, the driver I use is the one for OSS sound, and the other snd-emu10k1 is what it would use if I used ALSA for my sound (which I probably could, but I'm just happy to have sound).

Also, I've just thought, because you have a USB modem, it might see it as a LAN device ??? or have you checked out setting up KPPP (erm, you'd have to use kde for a window manager - I think??) as you may be able to tell it to use a usb modem.

I'm sorry if that sounds a bit vague, but for the most part, people tend to struggle with internal "winmodem's" (which translates into software modem, with back plate and wired connections).

Or do you have any other usb devices like a scanner or something - because my scanner is a usb one, and with both mandrake 9.1 and 10 community, it's been auto detected, I've just had to tell it to use the xsane scanning package. You might beable to locate your modem in the same place ??

Just an idea! oh and I'm sure I saw soundblaster 5.1 digital's in one of the basket's in the PCworld in Hove for about 35.

regards

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Old 03-22-2004, 02:45 AM   #56
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Just my 2cents on the book topic....

The O'Reilly "Linux in a Nutshell Book" is basically a command reference.

As a newbie, trying to learn linux, the very first thing that I found most helpful was the linux cookbook and although I haven't used it, I hear that the Rute guide is very good.

Oh, and the people in this forum are amazing!



Thanks,

ZZ
 
Old 03-22-2004, 03:22 AM   #57
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Yup. I thought that too.

That's why it's linked in my sig!

regards

John
 
Old 03-23-2004, 01:26 PM   #58
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Progress to date
i have now disabled the sound on the Motherboard, install the SB Live 5.1 and it appears that Linux does recognise it.
Used Windows to play an audio CD and check the sound. All Ok
Switched to Linux and cannot play the CD
 
Old 03-23-2004, 05:49 PM   #59
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If it's the same card as I've got Cliff, you'll need to go into the mandrake control centre(configure my computer)>hardware>hardware> then select/highlight the sound card and click on the "run config tool" - when the dialogue box appears, you may find that it's selected either the Audigy() driver or the snd-emu10k1 driver. Well so far, I've only managed to get noise by selecting "emu10k1" (the one without the snd- infront).

I'd imagine that you could get the snd-emu10k1 version to work, but you'd need to configure the ALSA packages for that - Pass, I've never bothered either.

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