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Old 03-14-2004, 12:22 AM   #31
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was your first distrobution mandrake?

it has been known to turn some cd rom drives into toast
 
Old 03-14-2004, 01:18 PM   #32
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That was 9.2 and it only roasted SOME of the LG cdrom model's. Apparently, that was what the snag was confined to, and the cdrw and dvd devices where OK - they released a firmware update relatively quickly and the problem was easy to avoid.

regards

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Old 03-15-2004, 01:40 PM   #33
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Thanks bigjohn, its amazing how easy it is when someone tells you how to do it, your splution to Command Line Access was great.
To answer your question re Net connection, I don't have one. At the moment my system cannot find (recognise ? ) my modem.
My sound card is not found either but the book gives me a good lead on how to fix that problem. More questions may (will) arise as I progress
Regards Cliff
 
Old 03-17-2004, 10:46 AM   #34
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O.K. moving on, I next tried to get my sound system working.
The book says "if the sound card is not detected try sndconfig which is in /usr/sbin/sndconfig"
unfortunately I don't have one.
so use the Install disk, go through the list of items not installed under the heading Sound and Video and there I find sndconfig.
Attempt to install and get the message;
Error installing Package
There was an error installing packages.
Exiting OK
I tried several times without success and also tried installing PINE with the same result.
I am still running on 512Mb RAM as this worked on the initial install.
Any suggestions please
 
Old 03-17-2004, 02:09 PM   #35
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Hi,
Just to add my two cents, if you had the hard drive formatted by windows, chances are it is formatted as NTFS. I don't believe this file system works with Linux. What I did for a dual boot is formatted the HD clear, nothing on it. Then I installed Windoze on the first half partitioned. This way the second half is not NTFS. After intalling Win I was able to format the second half of the drive using Druid (linux's partition program) and all was well.
 
Old 03-17-2004, 03:04 PM   #36
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Easy to get mixed up strimp099,

The actual problem that linux seems to be currently experiencing (as I understand it) it that you are able to read ntfs, but not write to it - lot's of the systems that you may see for this are experimental - though I understand you can actually write to ntfs if you use lindows.

Cliff (ffilc7373),

don't forget, stuff like doing the sound card config (sndconfig or /usr/sbin/config) you will probably get the "no such file or directory" if you're not logged in as root.

This is where it can become a little annoying, because if you want to do it command line, then you just SU to your root account, but if, like me, you like doing stuff with a GUI, you will probably have to log out and back in as root fully.

And if you try to look at a file that you don't have access to as user, in your GUI you'll probably get "permission denied" etc etc.

regards

John
 
Old 03-18-2004, 04:40 AM   #37
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Hi strimp099, I partitioned from the RedHat install program so that the format is OK for Linux. Have now loaded Red Hat and moving on to deal with the 'internal' difficulties. The Install problem was solved by reducing RAM from 1Gb to 512 Mb. See earlier post.
Thanks Cliff


Thanks bigjohn, I think I am OK on the ROOT vs User situation, my problem is that I cannot copy/install files from the CDROM. sndconfig is on the CD but I can't get it into the Linux prog.
i think I will reinstall RedHat on the off chance that it was omitted from the initial install.
regards Cliff
 
Old 03-18-2004, 08:10 AM   #38
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Hi,
as i understand, you've got a system running (RH). You've got acces in console and/or in graphic. I think you've got a program installer in graphic mode (YAST). Once the system is on the HD you can make nearly everything on graphic. Entering root pass when prompted.
If the system files doesn't exist it's either true or root reserved.
For sound, normaly sound is off at start. Open aumix, kmix or any mixer you find and set the sound settings on.
For the swap part, as said before swap is a helper for little RAM. Once your ram is over 256M you can keep your Swap to 400M and most of the time it wont be used. (I've got 516RAM).

Good day, it's hard but manageable : )

Marc A
 
Old 03-18-2004, 03:25 PM   #39
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Most of the install stuff should be detailed in the system already.

If you keep changing the distro, you'll probably end up with "one majorly snagged system".

While logged into mandrake, click on the mandrake control centre (or if it's version 10 community you'll want "configure my computer"), whichever way, you'll be asked to input your root password. From there, click software manager, and then you should have 4 options to use. they will be Install, Remove, Update and Media manager.

My suggestion would be then minimize that, then surf here and follow the instructions - but if you still haven't got your net connection working yet, just use the mandrake control centre install tool, and when the window is open, change it to the radio button for "all packages, alphbetical" if you haven't got the sndconfig facility installed then just check the box and click install.

Don't worry about the media manager yet, because until you've got your net connection up and running, you won't be able to get the "updated sources" available from the easy urpmi site I linked earlier.

I should also mention that with sound, most distro's have it muted by default at install - presuming KDE as your window manager, then you just go for multimedia>sound>kmix and make sure it's not muted (or uncheck the muted box). at least you should then know if you've got any sound going when the system generates any.

Marc A is getting his distro's mixed up. the graphic installer for mandrake is called URPMI (it can be run from command line as well). The "YAST" graphic installer is the one in SuSE distro's (I believe it stands for "yet another software tool").

As far as using a "deadrat" install programme to partition, as I understand it, the Mandrake version is as good, if not better. There's also a freewareone that I understand works in a similar way to partition magic (which is what I use, and I repartition when logged into windows XP - I just tell it that I want the partition formatted as linux ext3).

Regards

John
 
Old 03-18-2004, 04:50 PM   #40
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Just a couple of comments/recommendations:

SATA drives are fairly new and use a smaller connector than older IDE/ATA drives. You will know. The ribbon cable used to connect the IDE/ATA drive to the MoBo could be round or flat, but the connector is much wider than the SATA connector. The seagate drive you installed is an IDE/ATA and information about it is located here, http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/...st313021a.html

The Maxtor drive you listed is also an IDE/ATA drive, and information can be found here http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/pro...ll_3/index.htm

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this or not, but if you are using a RedHat distro, there should be some nice config druids built in (and hopefully loaded). Type "redhat-config-" and then press the tab key twice. That will bring up a list of commands that fit (again, if they are loaded). From there you can choose the correct one and finish the command....like setting up your network: redhat-config-network. This should bring up a nice GUI based configure widget that will allow you to set up your network settings.

Maybe you are past all this by now. I'm late getting to this post. I hope this helps, though.
 
Old 03-19-2004, 03:42 AM   #41
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Thanks to Marc A for input and to bigjohn, a mine of information.
It seems the reason I can't get sound is that the prog doesn't recognise my 'sound card', actually on the motherboard. It is 'ADI AD1980 AC '97'.
In Windows I would know what to do to install the driver but suspect I need to use Internet to do it fo Linux.
At present do not have Internet running on Linux, it won't recognise my modem (external Zoom Modem). I think I must change my priorities and get the internet sorted first which should give me a path to solve the sound problem. I have checked that the sound is not muted and that volume controls are set to mid level.
Without the help of all contributors I would have given up, Thanks again.
regards Cliff
 
Old 03-19-2004, 05:23 AM   #42
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Hi,

From what i read external zoom modems are well recognise and used under linux.
So you'll make it anyway, the sooner the better : )
Have you posted a question about that problem with config and type of you modem?

Good luck. Marc A
 
Old 03-19-2004, 06:17 AM   #43
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more idea's and suggestions

The modem thing Cliff, which connection type is it?

I ask because when I first got my adsl connection, pipex supplied an alcatel speedtouch usb, which was fine under windows (well, it would be, seeing as the software etc was all written/produced for windows), but when I first tried linux (suse 8.0 and mandrake 8.2 - mandrake was supposed to have support for it, but the support in 8.2 was broken), it was a total pig to get configured.

I continued with it, until just after 9.1 come out. But eventually not only was the delay between OS's pissing me off severely, but I kept getting a weird error, that I never got an answer to/sorted out.

the result ? well I went here which is an excellent info site (especially for us Brits), and ended up getting one of these. And to be honest, it was the answer to my dreams. No more disconnection/reconnection delays. No more stress in trying to get a modem reconfigure when I wanted to try a different distro. Absolutely bloody brilliant.

The latest version is this and at 45, I don't see how you can go wrong. You'd also need an ethernet card, but the upside is that you just config your connection as a LAN. It's meant that i've had a go at lot's of other distro's as well - while still running mandrake (4 is the most I've had booting at any one time - it was brilliant, real compare and contrast stuff).

Also, my onboard sound which is and intel 82801 brookdale AC97, was also a pig to configure (which is why I threw 45 at a soundblaster live! 5.1 digital card (currently about 35 at pcworld) and shoved it in a spare PCI slot). There's a thread here and this one's got various ideas/suggestions or if they don't give you any idea's or suggestions, if you can identify the exact name and number of the chip, then stick that into googles linux section.


And I totally refute that I'm a mine of information. If I did actually have any real linux knowledge, I might be able to offer "proper" suggestions. It just sounds like you're at the same stage and having similar problems as I did 2 years ago - what I really know of "things linux" could be written on the back of a very small postage stamp

regards

John
 
Old 03-19-2004, 09:52 AM   #44
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Cliff, as indicated by my name I'm a doofus.
However, being totally new to this, I was
having similar issues. This may be a stupid
question, but are you installing the ISO image
from CD? I used Fedora, and the install was
as easy as windows. During the install it asks
if you want to delete all Linux partitions and
install over it and it creates both partitions
including the swap. I think you can also choose
to install to free space. If you want to try from
scratch, and can boot to partition magic, just
delete the linux partition and install to free
space. This will leave the NTFS partition intact
and ensure that the Linux partitions are not
NTFS format.
 
Old 03-19-2004, 01:56 PM   #45
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Thanks Nytehawk for the useful information on SATA drives also very pleased to get the tip on accessing the config files, a real pearl.
Running redhat-config-soundcard gives:--
The following device was detected,
Vendor Via Technology
Model VT 8233 AC97 Audio Controller
Module via 82 Cxxx - audio

Play test sound
 
  


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