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Old 02-08-2006, 11:31 PM   #16
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bayonetblaha, did you get to install Mandriva?
 
Old 02-09-2006, 08:16 AM   #17
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48h, I would say not bad actually (I know it depends on the viewpoint)

Multimediawise ubuntu is feable, but since the introduction of Automatix
this might be changing. (I still prefer Mandriva. All tests are in nature)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563

http://beerorkid.com/automatix/autom...4.4-2_i386.deb
sudo dpkg -i automatix-ubuntu_4.4-2_i386.deb

This is a graphical interface for installation of a lot of apps on Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu BREEZY (DOES NOT WORK ON Warty, Hoary or Dapper) and for tweaking a few things to get your Ubuntu box up and working in full throttle in the quickest possible timespan.
 
Old 02-09-2006, 11:15 AM   #18
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I only recently installed Ubuntu (used SUSE heavy bloatware, but user friendly; MEPIS: excellent on non-ATI systems, failed to get the firegl ati driver to work). But here came ubuntu: went straight to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation and all my problems were solved. I followed the wikis isntructions to the T and lo-&-behold my fglx/ATI (1920x1200) scren worked, my skype worked, my .wmv files worked, my mp3 worked, my DVDRW worked. I even saw that my laptop was also tested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNW8240.

So in short I am sticking with Ubuntu for now on this machine; my wife's Dell 700m has MEPIS 3.4.3_rc3 and it uses very little resources (not at all bloatware). My suggestions would be, lik eothers have said here, start with blaotware (SUSE is a good start, and learn the ropes). I would give MEPIS a try as well.

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Old 02-09-2006, 06:11 PM   #19
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I have to say, I did fail to give ubuntu credit for the stuff that worked, like my video and sound card (actually, I do have some sound problems sometimes). The network connection was pretty smooth, too. I still expected installation of programs to be easier.

I actually went and got mandriva, and after five attempted installations got to the KDE and Gnome desktops. I disliked Mandriva even more, and have since gone back to Ubuntu. This is probably just because I have already put so much effort into Ubuntu and learned how to use it to an extent. If I were truly starting all over again i'd probably choose mandriva.

Emmanuel, that graphical program install thing sounds excellent. I can't wait to check it out in a few hours.

I'm converting all my wmas to ogg finally, so I don't really care that wma support is an impossible maze in linux even when it's supposed to work. I'm also returning my TV card, so the only thing I'd really like to see work on my system is reliable video play. Ubuntu seems to freeze on certain programs, even worse than windows ever did. Sometimes Xine just shows a black screen with a wait cursor, and I have to reboot.

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Old 02-10-2006, 02:10 AM   #20
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>to freeze on certain programs, even worse than windows ever did
This is annoying indeed, and not normal actually.
It is worth checking the memory is not faulty with memtest86.
As a side thing, you know you can reboot X just with <alt><ctrl><backspace>
and you have an application called xkill (point and kill)

>that graphical program install thing sounds excellent
Mandriva urpmi and its GUI is good actually.
I am looking forward to your feedback on automatix.
Nothing beter than some newbie feedback on things like that.

Video, I have no problem with mplayer (you will need the extra codecs)
(it also have a gui called gmplayer).
You may want to look at totem as well. Saying that I have xine working ok.

Audio: if when you have the problem you look in
/var/log/syslog or messages
also try
fuser /dev/dsp
you might find some error messages and the guilty application
and some googling may then help

Maybe ubuntu has not selected the best driver.
But "it sounds" more like a mixer issue.
Without error messages we cannot help
 
Old 02-10-2006, 03:00 AM   #21
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Take it form me: Ubuntu is not the best all-round distro. If you got the guts, try slackware, you'll learn a lot.
 
Old 02-10-2006, 04:39 PM   #22
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Automatix is fantastic! This program is by far the single most useful thing I have downloaded since I started Ubuntu. With just a closely-guided commands and clicks, I now have:

-perfect DVD playback with Xine (maybe MPlayer too, haven't tried it)
-WMA support for Rhythmbox and AmaroK, not sure which I like better yet
-totally configured plugins for all firefox flash and video needs

several things I had already set up manually:

-firefox
-gnomebaker
-expanded sources for synaptic
-openoffice
-Audacity (though still doesn't work on my particular box; "error initializing the audio i/o layer")

I got Kino, which I hadn't heard of before. There are probably at least a dozen other wonderful things this program has done to my Ubuntu box, I remember clicking on them for install but I can't remember them offhand. The program is brilliant- whoever created it should be immensely proud of themselves. In addition, anyone who is reading this should remember the name- Automatix- and the link, and refer anyone who is starting with Ubuntu or Kubuntu to it. If I had installed this from the get-go, I probably wouldn't be frustrated at all. I intend to find and thank its creator.
 
Old 02-10-2006, 04:44 PM   #23
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Automatix is a good program, just remember that not all distro's use it and if you have a problem with one of the programs that installs, you may struggle a little bit getting helpful point and click type responses. Not to discourage your use of it, but when you start feeling brave, it's good to learn your way around your system...
 
Old 02-11-2006, 12:12 AM   #24
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I've been doing my fair share of that, too.
 
Old 02-11-2006, 08:45 AM   #25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bayonetblaha
How can anyone call Ubuntu the easiest free linux for beginners? It took me 48 hours just to play videos and Mp3- sort of- and I've yet to get my WinTV USB2 to work at all.... There must be an easier free linux, or i'm missing something in ubuntu.
i tried suse 10 oss last month, and i felt like you (well sort of).

ubuntu's a bit of a pain considering it doesnt have the greatest selection of software installed by default. thats why i have tried many distros and now dualboot gentoo & fedora c4. imho, fc4 has a better range of software to install on install (albeit on 4 cds, not 1 like ubuntu).

regarding suse 10. dont try it if you are hard pressed for time, or want a stable distro. i thought it would would be great stable, and kind to the user. HA! i thought wrong. blatantly unstable, unable to work on my ati video card for no apparent reason, then working (and on next boot, the same problem again).

it worked on my older pc with a nvidia video card for a record 1 or 2 days. then it crashed & burned (to hell), then i installed fc4. no problems there and it still works to this day (about 3 weeks).

no way would i recommend it to anyone, and definitely not any newbies anywhere in this world.

oh, and there are easier distro's bayonetblaha. fc4 is one example, but you will still have to install some multimedia packages to get mp3s working, but its not as hard (and definitely not as time-consuming). have fun with linux wont you. this is just a minor setback.

excuse my rant/rave
/weed

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Old 02-11-2006, 10:43 AM   #26
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One thing I have noticed with regards to Linux distros is that experiences differ between individuals. The reason for this is usually because we use different hardware configuration and vary in terms of technical expertise especially when it comes to troubleshooting and resolving problems. What works fine for one user, may not work for another and you may have to try another distro until you find the one that suits you best. My first ever Linux distro about 7 years ago was Debian and for a while it made me dislike Linux and I wondered what the fuss was all about. Debian was a pain to get working and configuring X was a nightmare.

After trying Redhat and Mandrake on the same machine everything was detected fine and I began my Linux journey. The gist of the story is that I could have given up after one bad experience, but I didn't. As my skills developed, I tried installing Debian again and even though it was still a pain to setup, I managed to get it to work right using the knowledge I got from using Redhat and Mandrake. If you are having problems with a particular distro, there is nothing wrong with trying something else, but remember that just because one distro didn't work for you, it does not mean that it won't work for everyone else.
 
Old 02-11-2006, 12:46 PM   #27
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bayonetblaha. thanks for the feedback. I am glad automatix worked for you.
When you have more experience with ubuntu (or other distros) it will be interesting to see what
drawbacks automatix had (if any). If you can post here in a few months that would be great.
As said before, unbuntu is 1 cd, so that is less package than 1 distro on a dvd
(that will matter to people with very little or no internet access for example).

Linux is all about freedom. Users with various skills, expectations, available time, or needs,
all users seem to find after a while the distro that is "right" for them.
Am afraid I am just repeating what the previous authors are saying.

Point and click is fine, but I think many in the community would rather educate as well.
I hope we can find that balance one way or another. I personaly believe
that learning a bit of command line is the right thing to do. In practice, the limit
is more the time that people have available to learn than anything else.

It is exciting time for linux with more and more "straight out of the box solutions",
easier to handle for newbies, and at the same time I feel there is more than
many lifetimes worth of available material to learn to tweak and look at the OS internals of linux

You are going to have to change (edit) the title of the thread
"about to give up- ubuntu - but changed my mind"
 
  


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