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Old 03-19-2014, 09:34 PM   #16
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Dear Windows advocate,
if when installing windows (xp/win7) there is no option to use permissions, perhaps, have the admin. own the entire system then how can it hope to be secure. If you take it to free software ownership levels, who knows what is built into it?
Note you can install software to the c: drive above the owner level.

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Old 03-19-2014, 09:50 PM   #17
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If when installing xp/win7 there are no options to use permissions, you must follow the default. This seems to be the situation on Windows PC's.This begs the question who controls the PC?
In addition, you can install software above the user/admin. level so how is that secure?

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Old 03-19-2014, 09:58 PM   #18
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If when installing xp/win7 there are no options to use permissions, you must follow the default. This seems to be the situation on Windows PC's.This begs the question who controls the PC?
In addition, you can install software above the user/admin. level so how is that secure?

Fred.
At first, I am no Windows advocate, but I am against misrepresenting software, regardless for which reasons.
Installing software is by default in Windows 7 (let's not talk about obsolete systems like XP) with its UAC not any less secure as in Ubuntu using the sudo mechanism. As I said, regardless if you use Ubuntu/Puppy/Slackware/..., Windows or any other OS, the responsibility to make the system secure lies solely by the system admin. You can easily set up a secure Windows system, in the same way that you have to secure your Linux system after installation. But it lies in the admins responsibility to do that, to learn how to do that and to keep that process up to date. In the same way that you have to learn how to drive a car safely and how you have to keep yourself updated about changed laws when driving a car.

I often wonder why people have no problem to learn about UNIX file permissions, but refuse to do the same for Windows systems and just blame Microsoft for producing insecure software. That is simply not the case.
 
Old 03-19-2014, 10:12 PM   #19
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*ux simply has more tools available (most free for a reason) so while you are correct it lies on the admin, only one is worth it.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/20245...n_windows.html
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/lin...-invulnerable/
 
Old 03-20-2014, 09:13 PM   #20
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Yes you can blame the user,or purchaser, but inbuilt safegaurds are less in a Windows PC installation but that depends on which version of win(?) you have bought; all of which are of course secure!

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Two or three winblow$ are $upported is that right? Linux (just as much work as any computer OS in my opinion:) http://distrowatch.com/search.php?os...&status=Active
http://distrowatch.com/search.php?os...&status=Active (plus it's top link i.e: distrowatch.com)
http://www.zdnet.com/uks-security-br...os-7000025312/
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/sof...ivacy--1192771 . . .

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Old 03-20-2014, 11:15 PM   #22
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Yes you can blame the user,or purchaser, but inbuilt safegaurds are less in a Windows PC installation but that depends on which version of win(?) you have bought; all of which are of course secure!

Fred.
Yes, I blame the admin. Windows is not less secure, it is just that people for some reason think they shouldn't have to learn how to set it up correctly and rather blame the software than their ignorance. I use Windows regularly and have no problems at all with its security, since I took the time to learn how to make it secure. No virus problems, no malware, simple as that. You can of course deny that and live with the illusion that Linux somehow magically is more secure, but in reality you do nothing more than deceiving yourself. Again, security is a process, not a product, if you aren't willing to be part of that process you shouldn't use a computer, regardless which OS runs on it.
 
Old 03-20-2014, 11:53 PM   #23
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No, just because there is no default Linux. Just start a Puppy Linux and look at its default security level, running everything as root. Look at a default Slackware (Arch, Gentoo, ...) installation, having only the root user (or the likes of Ubuntu, giving the first created user full rights using sudo without ever asking the user if that is what the user wants).
So even when Windows by default has most of its security systems disabled, Linux is by default not more secure, just because it is Linux. You may have a distribution where that is indeed the case (I believe Fedora and openSuse are pretty good at that), but there is no guarantee for that.
Now I see where you're coming from. Yes, my experience has been mainly with Fedora and RHEL clones, which are by default more secure than many of the corporate Unix systems I've been a user on over the years.
 
  


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