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Old 08-02-2006, 01:16 PM   #1
lloydshanks
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1st trying to Install Linux on a machine with no OS.


I know very little about installing operating systems, DOS or computer hardware....What I am trying to do: Install Debian Linux (or really any distribution of Linux) on a machine that has no operating system on it.

I burned two ISO cds of Debian Linux, had to format my P2 400 MHZ machine so all I have is this bare-bones system with a CD writer/reader, 3.5" floppy drive and a 10 gig hard drive.

I have no idea if this computer is suppose to be able to install Debian Linux from these two burned CDS I made.

I went in to the BIOS and switched the boot to the CD drive and I get an invalid system disk message.

What do I do here?

(thank you to anyone that has the energy to guide me through this!)
 
Old 08-02-2006, 01:38 PM   #2
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Hmmmm. There a couple of potential issues here. Let's start with baby steps.

You should only need one CD to install Debian if you install over the internet. You would need many more, I think, to install locally. Which ones did you burn; what were the names of the files you downloaded?

How did you burn them? Burning an .iso image is like burning a data CD. Burning an image is probably one of the session choices you have. Depends on the software you used what the exact terminology would be.

I may be getting a little ahead, but after you downloaded the iso files, did you check the MD5SUM to verify that it wasn't corrupted?
 
Old 08-02-2006, 01:38 PM   #3
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I am a newbie too but yes i tried already many Linux installables
and LIVE CD. As a beginner, i recomand you to tryLIVE LINUX .
You know what is LIVE LINUX? LIVE LINUX runs directly from the
CD. You don't need to install it on your computer. It loads
desktop automatically like Microsoft Windows. Some famous names
in LIVE CD are > Knoppix LIVE , Berry Linux LIVE .
For Knoppix refer > [url] www.knoppix.net[/b]
For Berry Linux refer http://yui.mine.nu/berry/
Download ISO's and burn them and use them .

You can also order free LIVE + installable CD set of UBUNTU Linux
for free via postal service from www.ubuntu.com They
send you set of 5 CD's absolutely for free via mail service at
your street address. Mandriva is a very user friendly Linux. But
go for LIVE Linux before going to install any Linux distro.


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Old 08-02-2006, 02:04 PM   #4
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The most likely (most common) issue is that you simply copied the .iso file to a CD--you have to use the option to burn from iso or something like that. If the CD has only one file on it, then that is what happened.
The other thing to check is to make sure the computer will boot from a known good (bootable) CD.
 
Old 08-02-2006, 02:55 PM   #5
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Let me fill you guys in on some more info:

I have two computers. The one I am typing on right now and then the P2 400 MHZ computer. I burned the CDs on the machine I am using now.

The name of the iso files are:

debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso
debian-31r1-i386-binary-2.iso

both are approximately 639 MB each (that is why I burned two CDs)

I burned them with a program called "Click 'N Burn CD & DVD". The only option I can find when I burn CDs is to either save the directory path or not to save the directory path. If you burn with a saved directory path, it puts your burned files in the same directory structure as your personal computer. I burned the ISO cds without a directory path.

So what I have been doing is this:

Going into the BIOS and changing the boot order to boot the CD drive first. I pop in the first ISO cd and boot up. I get the invalid system disk message.

Then I pop in a Windows 98 boot disk (with something that allows you to access the CD Drive). I can switch to X: from A: and I see that ISO file is on the CD when I type "dir". The file name is listed and the size of the file as well.

I did not check the MD5DUM to see if the CDs were corrupted.
 
Old 08-02-2006, 03:01 PM   #6
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You've burned the .iso file to disc in the wrong way. The .iso file is actually an image of the disc contents. When burned to disc correctly, there will NOT be any file named "blahblah.iso" on the disc. Only the actual disc contents should appear.

What happens if, on your Windows computer, you double-click on one of the .iso files (with no programs open)? If you're lucky, then your CD burning software will open up and immediately go into the correct mode of operation to burn the .iso image file to disc.
 
Old 08-02-2006, 03:02 PM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lloydshanks
LI can switch to X: from A: and I see that ISO file is on the CD when I type "dir". The file name is listed and the size of the file as well.
As pixellany said, if all you see on that CD is the single .iso file, then you've burnt it incorrectly. I'm not familiar with the software you mentioned above, so can't really help you with that. Are you sure there's no "burn image" option somewhere?
 
Old 08-02-2006, 03:03 PM   #8
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That's your problem, you have to burn image which creates the actual bootable CD with all of the needed files and boot info. All you did was copy the .iso file to the CDs which won't work.
 
Old 08-02-2006, 03:25 PM   #9
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When I double click on the .iso file the following contents appear (thanks to the WinRAR program that opens it):

.disk
dists
doc
install
isolinux
pics
pool
tools
autorun.bat
autorun.inf
debian
md5sum.txt
README.html
README.mirrors.html
README.mirrors.txt
README.txt
 
Old 08-02-2006, 03:46 PM   #10
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Ah, that's unfortunate. It means that WinRAR has taken over the associations for .iso file types--a WinRAR "feature" which is really useless, since 99.95% of the time someone with a .iso file just wants to burn it to disc.

You're going to have to do some research on your particular CD burning software on how to handle a .iso file.
 
Old 08-02-2006, 03:50 PM   #11
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If you have access to a high speed internet connection I recommend using the image titled "debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso". This will allow you to install a base Debian system from the CD and complete the installation from the internet. A complete set of Debian CD's (the binary ones) is 14 disks.

Anyway, checking out the Click 'N Burn CD & DVD download site, it only mentions audio, video, and data. I would guess that if it could burn iso's it would mention it. So it's possible you can't burn the CD correctly with the software you're using.

If you have nothing else, try to find another freeware or free demo version for Windows (e.g., http://www.download.com/MagicISO-Mak...=lst-0-7).Look for something that says it can burn ISO files.
 
Old 08-02-2006, 07:47 PM   #12
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I am using this program called CDBurnerXP Pro 3. I got it off download.com and it's free. It burns these so called .ISO files appropriately. I have burned about 10 cds with no luck. I have tried all sorts of variations (playing with settings inside this program) to make these CDs. Is there anyone out there willing to try this program and list the steps I need to take to make a proper CD? If not I understand and thank you guys!
 
Old 08-02-2006, 07:56 PM   #13
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I'm not sure if I can even try it, if it has to be installed through windows or not.
I know some burning software will have this option, if you right click on the ISO file, does it say anything like "burn iso" "burn the image", anything that doesn't just say "burn into data"?

I had made the same mistake, twice I believe.
 
Old 08-02-2006, 08:16 PM   #14
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just look for an option that says "image" or "iso". Frankly, not all freewware Windows apps will burn an iso image so you may need to search for a better freeware one. I know there is at least one out there that will, but I can't recall the name right now.
 
Old 08-02-2006, 08:19 PM   #15
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Here are some screenshots of the CDburnerXP Pro 3 interface. I took shots of the main interface. You will notice that there is a drop down menu that lets you choose Joliet, ISO Level 1, and ISO level 2.

Next when you begin your burn there are some options for making it a bootable CD.

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