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Is Verizon going anti-Nix ???
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. I live in Northwestern Massachusetts, about 20 minutes from Brattleboro Vt.. For the last almost month, I haven't been able to get on-line with a Nix box. Verizon (of course) denies any knowledge of updates or changes that would change access in any way, but I have 5 brand new boxen that say otherwise. One at a time, I built them, and hooked them into my Westell Modem, but none of them worked - the same exact problem - connect, but do not pass go, do not surf). About 3 weeks or a month ago, I was surfing with my Xandros box (that I've used to surf with for the past year or so), and got disconnected. I called support, and they said that they had just started an upgrade to their system, but the phone answerer wasn't sure to what part of the system it was being implimented on. Three days later, I'm still not getting on-line. Two weeks later, I'm still not getting on-line. (ACTually, I'm getting connected, I just can't SURF anywhere - no where). So - I call again, and of course, can't get past phone suport no matter what I do, so I mention that I'm using a Nix box, and the phone room nuts up on me, and informs me that they don't support anything but MicroDud, but they'll ask. To my amazement, I get a Tier Three worker, who uses Nix at home, and he assures me he can find the problem. We go thru my system togeather, ping, tracerout, check browser defaults, connection defaults, folders, installed packages, start-up routines - the whole 9 yards. Nothing. Two weeks later (up to today, thursday the 11th), I'm still not on-line, so I set up yet ANOTHER box w MicroDud 98, and POW - I'm on-line and surfin like crazy. The one really ODD thing I see, is even to get on-line (let alone surf), the Nix systems all require networking to be turned on, just to get on-line at all, and I only have a single box on-line at any one time.... I also just noticed that Verizon appears tohave started blocking ports 139 and 80.... Anybody got an idea of what's happening around here ?? PM . . |
What is the model number of the modem? What type of internet service are you using DSL, cable etc...
IMHO blocking port 139 aka smb is smart. smb traffic is very insecure and your local network should be behind a firewall. |
Verizon going anti-Nix ??
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. It's an Infospeed B90-38R5 15-01 using a DSL connection from Verizon (BTW - I don't mind them watching out for my protocol or my NetBios, I block that from my system myself anyway) , but - The question begs: why only Nix problems ?? All the systems were darn near identical, but only MicroDud 98 works.... PM . . |
It does beg the question. I probably can't help you either except to ask dumb questions.
I do not understand what you mean by odd stating that networking has to be turn on in order to connect? Is the modem connected to the PC via ethernet cable? When I use to have SBC DSL I could connect but not surf if the network adapter attached to the modem was activated prior to pppoe starting. |
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. I have one ethernet card, a Netgear FA311. I have a Westell Infospeed that Verizon just checked out, and it's working fine. The phone company cleared out the lines (re-routed the traffic) and ran signals up and down my lines, all the way to the connectors in the junction box, and everything's fine. My lines are clear, and solid, all my hardware is in top running order, and all my connections and software are new or in like-new condition. If I want to log-on to the Net, I have to let the system file-share, and sign on as a LAN. In fact, if the modem isn't signed-in as a LAN modem, using DHCP, I can't get on-line at all. AND, that in itself won't get me on-line - I have to log-on as a user too, using the same modem, and PPPOe, or I can't get on at all. Then, the thing has the nerve to tell me that someone else (the LAN connection) is using the system too.... and I can't get it to go anywhere - I tried to goto Google last night, so I did my thing, and went out and had dinner, and when I came back, it was still trying to load Google.... The provider tells me I have a problem, but the same thing happened with 5 other boxen, and nothing worked till I put togeather a WinDud 98 system, and hooked up to the modem, using the same Westell Modem, the same lines, and the same kind of ethernet card. ??? Boom - I'm on-line. |
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. Thanks - as there are some obvious security conserns here, I wasn't quite sure where to place this.... PM . . |
i can almost gurantee its not a anti nix action its most likley a networking issue or a software issue beacause you can get online with a mac,win,linux, ps2,xbox, or even if your toaster had a ethernet connection ud be able to get online so my guess is networking issue
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post the results of typing this in at a console as root:
ifconfig -a You mentioned PPPoE which is a method where the network card to the DSL doesn't have an IP address it just sends PPP signals to the modem which bridges the ethernet traffic to the DSL and sends those signals out to the ISP. The ppp actually does authentication, similar to dialup but without tying up the phone line or the 'modem noise', so it will require setting up a username and password although there are PPPoE Linux clients that do this automatically once they are set up. If your ISP uses PPPoE then you should have an eth0 with NO IP address assigned to it and then a ppp device listed in ifconfig that DOES have an IP address. It's also possible that the 'upgrade to their system' switched to not using PPPoE, if this is the case you should have an IP address on eth0 that ends in a number besides 1, such as 192.168.0.254, and typing http://192.168.0.1 (or whatever the first three numbers from your IP address are with a 1 at the end) in a web browser will open up a web based configuration for your DSL modem and then you put the username and password into the modem instead of the PPPoE software on your computer. |
OK - here's what you asked... :)
OK, here's what I get without being logged on-line:
[root@localhost.root]# ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:5B:1B:E8:82 inet addr:10.0.0.10 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen: 1== RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes 168 (168.0 b) Interrupt:5 Baseaddress:0x1000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback Inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.00.0.0 UPLOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RXpackets:126 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 frame:0 TXpackets:126 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes: 7876 (7.6 Kb) TX bytes: 7876 (7.6 Kb) When I log-on to the "net" I get this: eth0 Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:5B:1B:E8:82 inet addr:10.0.0.10 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:15 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:20 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen: 1 RX bytes:1328 (1.2 Kb) TX bytes 954 (954.0 b) Interrupt:5 Baseaddress:0x1000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback Inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.00.0.0 UPLOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RXpackets:146 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 frame:0 TXpackets:146 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes: 9130 (8.9 Kb) TX bytes: 9130 (8.9 Kb) pppO Link encap: Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:141.154.165.223 PtP:10.14.1.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 RXpackets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 frame:0 TXpackets:7 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes 630 (630.0 b) TX bytes: 302 (302.0 b Then I go back to root@localhost As for the IP ending in '1': Nothing. I get 2 responses: 1) A blank page (on Mandrake 9.0 - logged in as root) 2) Not authorized access, contact system Administrator (on the MicroDud system) PM . . BTW - thanks guys |
I had a similar problem here like a year ago I was used to RR speed and changed to verizon b/c it wasw cheaper after a month 1\2 I swithed back to RR. I didn't have service most of the time and when I had it was slower than dial up, but I never thought it was linux, but now make sense b/c some of my neighbors have the same service and it works just fine :scratch:
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Tyr these to see where it's broken, from a command prompt as root while connected: (CTRL-C stops the ping, as long as you get a reply move on to the next one)
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ping 127.0.0.1P.S. if logged in as a user you can change your console to root by typing 'su -' and using root's password. You can cut and paste text from a console window in X using the edit menu for that window. The output of commands can be dumped to a file by adding two >'s and a filename at the end of the command like: ifconfig ppp0 >> /mnt/windows/dslprobs.txt |
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If you can not get a webpage like www.google.com to display then try: log off the net. ifdown eth0 log back on |
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. Michaelk: I'm trying to get on-line with a Linux box, just after Verizon did an "upgrade" to their system around here, and nothing but a MicroSux system seems able to log-on. The problem has existed for about a month now, and I've built 5 Nix Boxen and put them individually on-line, and none of them can do more than connect - they log-on, but I can't go anywhere - ex: the other night, after 45 minutes, the system was still trying to D/L a Google page.... Darin: Here's what you asked for: [root@localhost root]# ping 127.0.0.1 PING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) from 127.0.0.1 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.600 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.035 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.035 ms --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% loss, time 3997ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.032/0.146/0.600/0.227 ms [root@localhost root]# ifconfig ppp0 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:141.154.148.21 P-t-P:10.14.1.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:15 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:17 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:1537 (1.5 Kb) TX bytes:1750 (1.7 Kb) [root@localhost root]# ping 141.154.148.21 PING 141.154.148.21 (141.154.148.21) from 141.154.148.21 : 56(84) bytes of data.64 bytes from 141.154.148.21: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.048 ms 64 bytes from 141.154.148.21: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms 64 bytes from 141.154.148.21: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms 64 bytes from 141.154.148.21: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms --- 141.154.148.21 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% loss, time 2997ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.032/0.036/0.048/0.007 ms [root@localhost root]# cat /etc/resolv.conf search localdomain verizon.net nameserver 151.202.0.84 nameserver 151.203.0.84 # ppp temp entry [root@localhost root]# ping 64.179.4.149 PING 64.179.4.149 (64.179.4.149) from 141.154.148.21 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 64.179.4.149: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=64.9 ms 64 bytes from 64.179.4.149: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=64.8 ms 64 bytes from 64.179.4.149: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=64.8 ms --- 64.179.4.149 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% loss, time 2016ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 64.850/64.879/64.915/0.295 ms [root@localhost root]# ping www.slackware.com PING slackware.com (64.57.102.34) from 141.154.148.21 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=111 ms 64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=2 ttl=44 time=111 ms 64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=119 ms 64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=4 ttl=44 time=112 ms --- slackware.com ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% loss, time 3028ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 111.340/113.650/119.388/3.342 ms [root@localhost root]# BTW: thanks guys - I really appreciate the help and consern - (Edit:After re-reading that last part, I thought it might be offensive to perhaps someone out there, so I removed it - that crack about being new was a bit out of line... I hope I didn't hurt anybodies feelings...) PM . . |
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If all that works, you should be able to open up a web browser and go to sites on The Internet, if you are still having problems then please explain what exactly it is that is not working. It's possible that the web browser you are using has some bad settings but that's about all that is left because according to the results of your pings you should be working fine. |
could it be a DNS problem?
Had a problem somewhat like this with very slow name resolution only on my Linux machine. 2 WinXP machines were just fine. I switched from Sympatico, my DSL provider's DNS to some public, free ones, and everything seems ok now. Perhaps try that?
If you think there' s something to this, try pinging a site by name e.g., www.yahoo.com, and then pinging it by its IP Address. Compare the numbers. If the DNS is working properly they should be almost identical, but if the name one is much longer, then you probably have a DNS problem, in which case, switch. Here are some public ones: 216.231.41.2 216.254.95.2 64.81.45.2 64.81.111.2 64.81.127.2 64.81.79.2 64.81.159.2 66.92.64.2 66.92.224.2 66.92.159.2 64.81.79.2 64.81.159.2 64.81.127.2 64.81.45.2 216.27.175.2 cheers, Scott |
You would think so, wouldn't you ??
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. Darin: Quite the quandry, eh ?? I can "log-on", I just can't surf anywhere. And, if I don't allow network sharing, and log-in as a LAN, I can't get on-line at all. Both the LAN and the user log-on using eth0, and my system keeps telling me that "something else is using the system". And, I can't log-in to my localhost, no matter what I do, the closest I can get is a blank page. I can do anything I want other than surf, but when I try and get on, the same thing always happens, and I'm dead in the water. 5 systems now (including the original, which worked for about a year correctly) and I still had to put togeather a MicroDud 98 box, just to get on-line.... And, the 98 system keeps telling me to contact my administrator if I want to shut off VPN, or try and change from being a client for Microsoft Networks to a windoze logon.... and it's MY system.... I'd allmost think I'd been caught by someone who thinks they RuLe, but we're talking about 5 brand new Nix systems here, one at a time, all doing the same thing, and I still have to use a 98 box if I seriously want on-line...... PM . . |
Nope....
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. Scott2004: Been there, done that.... I'm not getting more than a 2 or 3 ms variation, no matter who I ping (I did several w the Tier three Tech from Verizon when I talked w him... he gave me addresses he could monitor, and watch me bounce in and out) I was ready to pull my board, and run signals thru it, to look for bad capacitors, memory fade, sink holes (grounds), etc., till I realized it was the same way on five different Nix boxen, and the 98 box (the only one made out of used parts) was running fine. The only variable I'm not in control of was the "upgrade" Verizon did a few weeks back, which happens to be the exact same time this all started happening to me.... Odd, huh ?? I think I'll try an Ubuntu box, I hear it runs right from the install, andf nobody's complained yet.... This box seems to run smooth enough, I may just swap the hard drive for a blank one, and give it a go.... PM . . |
other options -- other ISPs?
Hi PM:
Sorry I can't be of more help. Do you have anywhere else you could take one of the nix boxes to plug them in? Is there a computer lab or internet cafe handy that might let you use a DHCP connection? The idea is that then you could try another ISP and see if it's the connection to Verizon that's causing the problem. If so then you might consider changing your ISP, if that's an option. In my area nobody supports Linux of course, but there are lots of high speed ISPs to choose from. Just a thought... one you may already have had. Cheers, Scott |
That's OK....
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. Scott2004: Thanks for the reply - this is getting on my nerves. Yes, I've considered it. I'm sitting along side a complete dish set-up while I type this.... :) The idea of going to another station with my box is a good one. One of the reasons I originally posted this in the Security board was, that I thought if I could get someone up to speed on what's happening around here, we might be able to explore the possibilities of that new "law" booshiepoo just authorized - it seems that very quietly, all ISPs are ordered by this new thing to do a complete scan of every hard drive using their system, so the Govt. can look for "terrorist indications, anit-american activities, and hacking toolz. Just before all this started to happen, I noticed something was beating my hard drives, they were running hard and fast, like something was trying to shred my files, even if nothing was running. Which only occured when I was logged-on, even if I wasn't surfing. PM . . |
What really needs to be done is look on or under your westell modmen for the reset putton (pinhole) and reset back to defaults. Hook up your winblow 98 box and open up IE. Soon after doing that you should get the config page for your modem. When you do that look up at the address bar and change the file name at the end to (config) to see if you can put you modem into bridge mode. When thats done take your oldest comp and setup a smoothwall router and have it do the ppoe. This used to work fine when I had version. All companys use PPOE as it is the easyest way to authinicate.
Sound like you can authinicate, but verizion might have done mac address locking. I don't know as I don't use them anymore. |
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i'm running WinXP and FC3 dual-boot on my Toshiba Satellite Pro m15-s405. The Network card is an Intel something and my Verizon DSL modem is a Westell 2210 ? or something like that.. i'm not at home right now so i can't check. Well, it works fine for me with Linux.... i have it setup as a eth0 and DHCP and it works fine.. no problems at all... since i've been using FC3. However, before, i had SUSE 9.1 and i couldn't get it to work there.. i gave a call to Verizon and they said it should work out of the box with anything.. Win, Mac, *nix, anything... and now it does with FC3 so i don't know... but the idea of them blocking *nix boxes from surfing is scary... Regards, Bryant |
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. Phatboyz: Thanks for that - I'll give it a go tonight, but I'll have to load IE back in - the first thing I learned was about bloatware (and spam), so I always (use to) use 98Lite, and never do Email on my system, so naturally, when I set up this box, the old ways came pouring back in, and I deleted IE, and installed FireFox.... pandasonic: My thinking was more along the lines of IF Verizon is complying with the new "booshie Laws" about all IPs scanning their clients systems, they may have taken a policy of blocking out systems that they can't get into. Adding one line of code, in a system that the owner can't read (or interpret) the code, and it's easy.... and nothing short of a full blown programmer can straighten it out.... And our systems are as hard to crack as it gets (at least, we hope so....) we use sandboxes that have no hard drives, and install an old flavor of Nix (2.2) into RAM, set up the communications, then shut the sandbox down. The thing about old versions of Nix is, that even shutdown leaves the ethernet cards "on" (like wake on lan), so we can surf thru the sandbox without it even being turned on.... in fact, that's what this system's going to be after I beat this problem with a stick... :) :) :) :) :) :) :) <<laughter>> The one thing about Federal Laws, is, that they don't have to tell you what they're doing - in fact, in most cases, they're told not to...... (BTW - are you on Verizon ?? - That's what giving us all this heart-burn....) PM . . |
Hi. I'm using Verizon with a Westell 2200 modem, which is working fine.
Here are a few steps to try: 1. Reset the modem by pressing the pinhole for like 30 seconds. Grab your win98 box and make sure your able to connect to the Internet. 2. Connect the Nix box to the modem and try to ping google.com. If that is successful type that into the browser. If the page does not come up on the browser, use the IP address of google.com, i.e. type http://216.239.57.99 in your browser. If that does not work Then there maybe a problem with the configuration of the browser your using on the Nix boxes. 3. Try accessing the modem configuration again on your win98 box. Post a reply if your able to access the modem configuration page. The ip is usually http://192.168.0.1 or http://192.168.1.1 (My Westell modem uses 192.168.1.1) 4. If that doesnt work post the win98 IP configuration by clicking start->run->cmd-> IPCONFIG /ALL. Good luck. |
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I seriously doubt that Verizon is blocking *nix systems. First off if one had the skills one could make a windows box appear as a *nix box and the other way around. There isn't any way, short of them actually sitting down at your system, to verify what OS your running. I'm not sure what "booshie" laws your speaking about, but even if it states in their TOS that they can scan their IPs for open ports they can in no way gain access to your system without breaking state and federal law, something I'm sure they try to avoid. Also, unless they are complying with a federal, state, or local wiretap warrent then they DO have to apprise you of any monitoring they are doing of your traffic. To not do this would amount to wire fraud, and runs counter to wire-tapping law. No offense, but take off the tin-foil hat. I've had a experiance similar to yours setting my mom up with bellsouth. Turns out it wasn't actually the ISP, but rather the modem that was the problem. I'm not 100% sure of the technical details unfortunatly as the fix I found (on dslreports.com) was scant on info. Appearently the way Linux and Windows handle PPPoE is different. The modem manufacture supposed that most people would be running Windows, so they geared the modem for that. I had to change the modem from acting as a router to acting as a bridge, and after that it worked fine. Another thing you might want to consider is asking them about MAC address restriction. Unless I'm mistaken I think only cable companies do this, but it sure couldn't hurt to ask. Quote:
What do you mean if you don't allow network sharing and log in as a LAN you can't get online at all? What does network sharing have to do with logging on to a PPPoE server? You also say you can't log-in to your localhost, but get a blank page. Can you tell me what this means? If your on a *nix box and your pass the first username/password prompt you've gotten logged on to the localhost. |
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Do you log into Xwindows and open a shell to do these pings that I asked you to test in your previous post? if so then what exactly happens when you open a browser (Mozilla, Netscape, Konquer, Galeon, Lynx, pick 1) and try the same site you pinged? In 98 no need to worry about which browser, just open one and try to get to your modem's config page. Mozilla works, so does exploder or even opera if that's your fancy. What exactly do you mean by the user login and the LAN login and the localhost login? You should be logging into your computer as a user and that computer will be on the LAN or connecting to the ISP or both no matter whether you log in or not or who you log in as. There is no logging in on eth0 or eth1, you log into a computer that connects through a network card like eth0; These are two different things and it makes it less confusing to troubleshoot if you could differentiate them. Basically, to help you out we need more clarification on what you mean in the comments that cyberliche quoted. |
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. Cyberliche: I was thinking about MicroDuds' vesting six billion dollars into Verizon to switch over to MicroDud (protocol ?) software, so MicroDud could be more homogenous with their system, and what effect (if any) that might have on Nix users. "Booshie" is our wonderrrful president, and with the integration of the Homeland Security Act (and a few other acts our Govt. has passed quietly), there are no more "wiretap Laws" for the Govt. They only enforce those Laws on people like you and me.... any branch of the Govt can do pretty much whatever they want now. :) As we are talking about new FEDERAL LAWS, the opinion posed in your post is invalid, be that as it may, no, I don't wear a "tin-foil hat" (did you mean an Orgone Collector ??) :) It could be the router, but I have no way to access it, so I can't tell. Short of buying a new one. Quote:
Sometimes I wait 45 minutes, and all I get is a white screen, which eventually times out. Quote:
in as one (w/DHCP on eth0), which, in itself doesn't allow me to surf. When I bring up a browser, it tells me I'm not connected to the Internet. I still have to log-on to the Internet as a user (w/PPPoE) to make the connection, but it does me no good, I can't surf anywhere. Then, the system tells me there's somebody else using the system (probably the LAN connection). Any other configuration, and I can't even make a connection - I spent three days exploring that possibility... If I shut down the LAN connection, I get kicked. Quote:
And no, I don't. When I start-up, the (Nix) system(s) all tell me they can't find the host, and should it log-in anyway, so I do. After that, I failed to find a way to do even simple things, like change my password, as I can't get a response at all trying to bring up my localhost. NetAx: On this (win98 system) I can do what you asked about, all except for resetting and reaching my modem config page, it keeps telling me that it timed out, and I should seek my Administrator (that would be me). The problem is on the Nix boxen, they can log-on line, but they can't surf anywhere. As for the IPCONFIG /ALL report, it says connection refused, no matter how many times I try, on-line or not. Phatboyz: I'm using an Infospeed, and there's a band of holes wrapped around the front of the system, top to bottom, lined by a metal plate (probably for cooling), and, except for that pattern, there's no other holes anywhere else on the modem. Darin: BTW - I have friends that fly those helicopters... :) Quote:
As for the browser - nothing - the browser (no matter which one I bring up) just simply won't D/L a page, no matter what site I try to goto. I even went thru this with a Verizon Tier Three Tech, that's when they told me there's nothing wrong at their end, and it had to be my system.... and I should go back to WinDoze. Quote:
And, the win98 box is a fresh install, put togeather just for this thread, the only thing I did was remove IE, install FireFox, a virus checker and Shields up. (And winPPPoEOverEthernet, from the Verizon install disk) (BTW - I'm not paranoid, and I make no claim to be Mr.Computer, but there is something wrong here, and I'm pretty sure it's not at my end....). PM . . |
Which infospeed modem are u using, I will search through some docs and help you get into bridge mode, then take that winblow box and add another etho card and install smoothwall. I assure you that if there is no problem on your end this will fix this.
I just look at some info for this modem and it seems as if its a dumb modem. Uses software to do ppoe from a windows client. Smoothwall should work for this. |
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. <<oops - sorry - posted before I saw your second paragraph....>> <<Edit::>> So.. Let me get this straight - and please correct me if I 'm wrong: My modem is little more than a transformer in a fancy box, and instead of using a bulldog box that doesn't even have a hard drive, you suggest I use this 98 box for a firewall/router on a single system ?? And then, my extra Nix boxen should work over these lines/go in the closet/whatever... ?? PM . . |
Was I right ??
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. Am I getting it correctly ?? What you're suggesting is a separate firewall/router for a single system, and then use my Nix boxen thru the firewall/router ?? PM . . |
telnet to your router, use the inside address 10.0.0.1
check on the configs in it. for dsl you don't need to have a ppoe login. yes, you can use the win box for a bridge for your nix boxes to the net. get a switch so that you can have more than one box on line at a time. if you have the money to build five boxes, than you can afford a $20 switch. most isps don't support linux, it doesn't pay for them to. talk to your isp and see if they support mac, if so, then talk to one of them. they'll know more about *nix than the ms people will. plus most of the people that your talking to read off of a cheat sheat and not know what's actually going on. |
The DSL standard is ppoe. Every ISP I know of uses ppoe to authinicate.
Post modern, It doesn't matter if you used the win98 box or your nix box that was the firewall/gateway. Check out smoothwall.org or clarkconnect.org You were using Kppoe before and everything worked for awhile. Seems very wierd to me. Earlier you said that you could still use Kppoe and get a connection. Could you ping an outside Ip address? You never stated if you could or not. Try to ping 65.7.241.92 and see what happens. Also you could do a traceroute to see how many hops you can get out. Ping this from the firewall and not from behind the firewall. Oh thats my static. As a temp you could use my proxy at 65.7.241.92:8080 and see if you can surf. I will have it visible to the outside till sometime tommorrow. I am using squid and dansguard and I want to show the old school that I use to be the admin for this and see if I can get another parttime job back with them. |
Do you have a network?
Unless money is a problem why not purchase a hardware router/firewall available through atleast 20 vendors? I personally wouldn't connect to the internet without one. They range from $30.00 - $100.00. I have not seen a DSL provider that they won't work with. |
Post Modern,
As far as the paranoia jokes, we were just having a little fun... I guess having done tech support for an ISP I am so used to just ignoring their support (or lack therof) for Linux and getting them to help me connect that I forget how bad it really is to try and get them to help you when a Linux box won't connect. As far as your network, it sounds like: a) your ISP uses PPPoE, this is proven in the information you have posted before. b) you have a PPPoE client on the 98 box c) you also are trying to use a PPPoE client on the Linux box note: most DSL connenctions use PPPo<something> but nowadays they usually lease or sell you a device that does the PPP stuff (They sometimes call it PPPoA) in it, instead of passing that task off to a computer, like your ISP appears to be doing. You should be able to set up the PPPoE client on the Linux computer to log in to your ISP when it turns on, regardless of whether you have logged into that machine as a user. This would mean that you can then remove the PPPoE software that is installed in Windows 98 (kill winPPPoEOverEthernet, from the Verizon install disk) and set it up in Control Panel -> Internet Options so that you are "wired to the Internet through a LAN." Try Start->Programs->Accessories->Communications->Internet Connection Wizard (I think that's it, the ICW is somewhere in the accessories menu but it's been awhile since I used 98.) and "set up my Internet Connection manually", "I connect through a LAN." You should have the Linux box set up to do it's PPPoE stuff and log into the ISP when it is powered on; Once it is powered up and has done that you should then have Internet access on both the Windows 98 and the Linux machine. Check out www.tldp.org for the DSL howto http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/index.html specifically the Bridged vs PPPoX Networks section if you have problems with the PPPoE client in Linux. |
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. emetib: I thought that Tier one read from books... :) I don't have a LAN - all I'm running is a single system to surf with, running on Red Hat 9.0, as has anything that touches the net runs since 9.0 came out (actually, we started w/6.0), and has been sufficient until last month, when this problem cropped up. As the Westell Infospeed modem is a dumb appliance, it makes sence to me that I have to use a PPP0E protocol somewhere, if for nothing else but to communicate as a user. My problem didn't exist until last month, and consequently, since then, only this win98 box has been able to surf for me. we explored the possibility of this being a common problem. In four blocks square, 20 out of 24 families we asked about the Internet were all having the exact same problem, they could log-on, but they couldn't surf - all Verizon customers - the other 4 were on cable. Slowly, most of them started to be able to surf again, mostly on win boxen, but our Nix boxen remained stubborn, and wouldn't log-on. This brought me to the conclusion it wasn't my particular problem, followed by a slew of conversations w/Verizon, including a Tier Three Tech who had a Nix box @ home, and swore he knew how to get to the core of the problem for me. I'm still here.... they all did the same thing, and the win box is the only one that surfs for me... <<shudder>> BTW: I can bring up a telnet session, but as soon as I start to connect to 10.0.0.1 with the win box, it locks up the session, and I have to shut the session down, it's useless - The Nix boxen, on the other hand, just go into a loop, and I never get more than a white screen out of them, all 6 (Nix) systems do the same thing.... Phatboyz: What you're saying is, that the firewall I was using was insufficient ?? And, I should try a more serious firewall ?? The first time I pinged you, I got anywhere from 26 to 82 ms responses, the second time I pinged you (a few hours later) I couldn't connect. member57: No. I do not have a LAN, I'm a single system user on the Internet (altho, I do have a rather nice LAN behind me, that never touches the Internet, that's what this system is suppose to be for). We've been using a bulldog box for many years now, that's an old 486 without a hard drive, running an old 2.2 version of Nix in memory, and until last month, it was sufficient. PM . . |
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. darin: It's ok - I have a sense of humor too.... :) I'm not paranoid, I'd like to think I'm beyond that, if I could only figure out who those people are that are crawling around in my bushes outside.... (BTW: I do have friends that fly those absolute black copters...) So - in part C) , you state that you believe that they're passing off the connection to my Nix box, instead of using the modem - would that change make Nix suddenly think I was a LAN instead of a single user ?? (Does that mean, I can finally get rid of that lump on my desk, and connect directly to the ethernet card ??) (Would that also indicate that my dumb modem was serving as a LAN connection all this time ??) We've been using Red hat since 6.0 and Mandrake since 5.something (as I recall). Suddenly the Nix boxen only log-on as LANs ?? And we have to log-in as a user ?? The whole point is that I'm not a LAN, and I'm not interested in windows <<deep shudder>>, files and folder sharing, MuddZ, piles of software D/Ls, or any of that stuff.... I've never even done Email on our boxen. PM . . |
Verizon is just incompetent
I've had several problems with Verizon, and have come to the
conclusion that they don't hate Linux, they just don't understand what they are doing enough to support more than one OS... The problem described above sounds suspiciously similar to one I had in late 2002 as well (I'm a Verizon customer in eastern MA). They upgraded their servers to one using a slightly more broken version of PPP, and I lost my network connection. Calling "tech support" didn't help one bit, they couldn't even tell me if I was using an upgraded server, just that they had been upgrading... To talk to the "upgraded" servers, you need to add one option to your /etc/ppp/options (or /etc/ppp/peers/? file): default-asyncmap Without this option, PPP to Verizon no longer works... Right now, my beef with Verizon is that their DNS servers are VERY overloaded, which results in many "server not found" messages when browsing. A quick check with dig shows that the network to their servers is swamped and dropping packets like mad. Switching to nameservers other than Verizon fixed the problem. I called "tech support" and they claim there IS no problem. If anyone else is experiencing this, please call and let them know. Speakeasy, here I come, wad |
I think Verizon may not be digging direct DHCP connections anymore, or they're incompetent or both. I help a friend who purchased an overpowered Dell box-he got an 8400 when a 4600 or even a 2400 would have done just fine for him; just the same he had a Westell 2200 modem that up and died on him. I happened to have a 2100 hanging around, so I gave him that. Windows reported the broadband card broken. I enabled DHCP, and tried to fix the IP addy. No soap. The best I could do is get a PPPoE connection going; and that will log on, but it likes to kick you off. I took my Puppy box up and tried to see if I could log on. DHCP was a no-go, and PPPoE went but with no surfing at all, and I tried to log on to the admin addy for Westell modems, and that was refused(I knew that was coming, cos the javascript only works under IE). I'm going to try that from his machine next and see what happens. Maybe it will fix the DHCP problem.
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Verizon
The interface used to connect to the Westell modem should be assigned a static address
(try something like 192.168.0.8). The PPPoE connection will automatically assign an address to your machine --- it is not done via DHCP. |
BTW, Verizon seems to have gotten a clue about their DNS woes. Their servers are no longer completely swamped !
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