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Old 08-25-2003, 02:50 PM   #1
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Ok i am moving all my computers (2) to linux os.

i currently have both computers partitioned so that i can run windows and linux so the changeover will be ok.

i use one computer as a workstation, and for general browsing etc.

i use the other computer as a server and also for general browsing.

i am installing mandrake linux 9.1 on both computers - 1 done successfully and the other needs a change of lan card to complete.

ok my question is this..........currently on the windows o/s (win 2k) i have a webserver that hosts my wargame : the wargame is made in asp programming.

i need advise as to which server i will need to use on the linux to replace the current iis windows 2k server. also i will need both computers able to file serve to each other. and also the server comp to have FTP ability.

also is the switch over quite easy or alot of work?

i am on msn goblin_siege@hotmail.com if thats easier to answer this.
 
Old 08-25-2003, 04:45 PM   #2
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I can already forsee trouble for you. It is written in ASP, which is an IIS-specific language. I'm afraid you won't be able to run your ASP script under Apache--unless someone has done something that I'm unaware of.

Is this wargame something you wrote? With some work, you could take the ASP code and make a PHP equivalent, and then do so much more than you could have done with ASP with less effort.

Of course, anything of this capacity may be considered a lot of work to a newcomer to the scene.

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Old 08-25-2003, 05:09 PM   #3
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Some Good Advice (IMHO)

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Ok i am moving all my computers (2) to linux os.
Something I thought I might ask... What is the "Linux OS"?

Some points to make note of:

"Linux" is the name given to a UNIX-compatible kernel. It was originally intended as a work-in-progress code-name, which was given to it by programmer Linus Torvalds. Despite what some people may tell you, the system kernel is not the operating system. It is one component of it. Just as you wouldn't call the operating system "Mozilla", "GNOME", or "Samba", why are you calling it "Linux"?

There are currently two major UNIX-compatible operating systems available: BSD and GNU.

"BSD" stands for "Berkley Software Distribution". It was created at Berkley University and it was originally a Proprietary System. The creators of the BSD system later released the source code to the public, and now there are BSD variants out there. Some of them are FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, among others.

"GNU" stands for "GNU's Not UNIX". Its creation was started at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) in an effort to thwart the efforts of those who would want to take away our freedoms to use our computers in the manner we see fit. The name "GNU" itself, being a recursive acronym, is a hack. The first program written to comprise the GNU system was Emacs. After a short while, the entire GNU system was complete, except for one component: the system kernel. HURD, although not a kernel in itself, is a cluster of kernels called "Mach" kernels. However, HURD (Mach, actually) was and is unstable.

The kernel "Linux" was and still is an independent effort. When the kernel "Linux" was finished, its creators first decided to look for other programs to add on to the "Linux" kernel. They found a whole bunch, too. Unbeknownst to them, the majority of these programs were a part of an already-existing Operating System effort--GNU.

It's only right and fair to call the Operating System "GNU", since that's what it is--GNU. Since what we're all using is not a complete GNU system, however, and it relies on an external kernel (Linux) in order to function, it is also only right and fair to give this independent effort credit for allowing us to run the GNU system. The proper way to refer to the operating systems we're using is by calling them "GNU/Linux" systems.

Calling the systems we're using "Linux" systems would be comparable to replacing the Windows 2000 kernel with an alternative one that someone might call "Screens", and then slapping the name "Screens" on the entire Operating System. It just wouldn't make sense (not that much of Windows makes sense anyway, but that would be WAY overdoing it).

I hope nobody was offended by this post (I don't really see any offensive material in it, anyway, but people often tend to throw curveballs when least expected), but I felt compelled to let some people know about a common misconception (in case they weren't already aware of it).

From the Free Software Foundation's Web site:

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Variants of the GNU operating system, which use the kernel Linux, are now widely used; though these systems are often referred to as ``Linux'', they are more accurately called GNU/Linux systems.
It links to an article titled "Linux and GNU" and its URL is: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html

Thanks for reading!

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Old 08-25-2003, 05:18 PM   #4
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ok but im not sure i wanted a history based on 2 words i used.
what has it to do with my post? not alot

im not sure asp wont work on a linux box. i think i will need to check it out. however i wont be completly surprised if it wont.

yes the wargame i wrote in asp, unfortunatly i dont have the knowledge of php that i do with asp.

http://www.siegewars.co.uk
 
Old 08-25-2003, 05:26 PM   #5
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funny what entering "apache" and "asp" into a google search can provide....

http://www.apache-asp.org/

as for the little article there.. i'm lost too, but it's all good info....
 
Old 08-25-2003, 05:27 PM   #6
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thanks. i was surfing apache:asp sites and its looking like its possible.

also .net is porting to apache
 
Old 08-25-2003, 05:30 PM   #7
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and *please* use useful thread titles.... this is a help forum, the fact that you require advice kinda goes without saying... you really should have called it something like "serving asp on linux" or something....
 
Old 08-25-2003, 05:32 PM   #8
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have you read my original post?

its in networking because im moving my iis network to linux/apache.

asp is part of that. if its in the wrong one which do you suggest?
or should i be splitting my question into several threads? in several different forums?
 
Old 08-25-2003, 06:38 PM   #9
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have you read my original post?

i wasn't commenting on the forum you chose, but what you *called* your thread... ahh nevermind.
 
Old 08-25-2003, 06:39 PM   #10
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u got any more advice?
 
Old 08-26-2003, 08:00 AM   #11
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Here's the introduction from http://www.apache-asp.org/:

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Apache::ASP provides an Active Server Pages port to the Apache Web Server with Perl scripting only, and enables developing of dynamic web applications with session management and embedded Perl code. There are also many powerful extensions, including XML taglibs, XSLT rendering, and new events not originally part of the ASP API!

This module works under the Apache Web Server with the mod_perl module enabled. See http://www.apache.org and http://perl.apache.org for further information.

This is a portable solution, similar to ActiveState's PerlScript for NT/IIS ASP. Work has been done and will continue to make ports to and from this implementation as smooth as possible.
A quote from the FAQ:

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VBScript or JScript supported?

Yes, but not with this Perl module. For ASP with other scripting languages besides Perl, you will need to go with a commercial vendor in the UNIX world. Sun and Stryon have such solutions. Of course on Windows NT and Windows 2000, you get VBScript for free with IIS.
Unless you plan on changing over all of your VBScript and/or JScript, or unless you plan on going with a commercial (most likely proprietary) solution, as I mentioned before, it looks like you are going to encounter nothing but trouble.

Good luck!

edit:
P.S. By the way, nice site/service you're offering. I think I'll give it a try at some point later on. I like the design of it all. Well thought out.

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Old 08-26-2003, 08:05 AM   #12
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Originally posted by Goblin
ok but im not sure i wanted a history based on 2 words i used.
what has it to do with my post? not alot
If you say so... I think it has everything to do with your post. I saw you referring to the operating system as the "Linux" Operating System, and thought maybe you weren't aware of the actual history and/or makeup of your system. Since you claimed to want advice, I decided to give you advice about your mis-wording of the name of the operating system.

No need to thank me.
 
Old 08-26-2003, 09:34 AM   #13
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ok lol but goto the mandrake linux site. it refers to linux being an operating system. maybe you could remind them of the history too :P
 
  


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