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scorpioofthewoods 10-11-2012 05:39 PM

What is LMDE?
 
What is LMDE? I know it is Linux Mint based on Debian Testing as opposed to Ubuntu. I know it is a rolling release, like Debian Testing. I am interested in the technical details which I can't seem to find on the website.

Does LMDE use Debian Testing repos, or Linux Mint repos, or a mix? What does Linux Mint bring to Debian Testing, as opposed to just running Debian Testing?

k3lt01 10-11-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpioofthewoods (Post 4803429)
What is LMDE? I know it is Linux Mint based on Debian Testing as opposed to Ubuntu. I know it is a rolling release, like Debian Testing. I am interested in the technical details which I can't seem to find on the website.

Does LMDE use Debian Testing repos, or Linux Mint repos, or a mix? What does Linux Mint bring to Debian Testing, as opposed to just running Debian Testing?

LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) started out as a Debian based variation of Linux Mint. It has since moved away from that.

When it started it was 99% Debian, Mint added their own Mint aspects such as the Mint Updater and Mint Menu and a few other things, they also added Firefox (instead of Iceweasel) from Ubuntu and a few other things. I was one of the first users of LMDE and my first impression was it was very nice and because it was based on Debian repositories it was very customisable. After this I moved to Debian itself, and now Cobber. Since I stopped using LMDE Linux Mint has made its own repositories for LMDE and taken away alot of the ability to modify LMDE. In my opinion it is no longer a Debian Edition it is basically a different Mint with slightly different repositories instead of being a Mint Edition of Debian with a few add ons.

scorpioofthewoods 10-11-2012 06:40 PM

Thank you! This is what I was wanting to know, though not really hoping to hear.

craigevil 10-11-2012 07:28 PM

Linux Mint Forums • View topic - LMDE FAQ - http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=197&t=91405

You can still use Debian repos.


Never really saw the point of Debian based distros. Although I did run sidux for a while, since it was the fastest way to install Debian sid. Couldn't really beat a 5 minute install.

scorpioofthewoods 10-12-2012 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by craigevil (Post 4803467)
Linux Mint Forums View topic - LMDE FAQ - http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=197&t=91405

You can still use Debian repos.


Never really saw the point of Debian based distros. Although I did run sidux for a while, since it was the fastest way to install Debian sid. Couldn't really beat a 5 minute install.

Thank you!

I think the point of them was to make it easier to install and set up Debian, which these days is not very hard. And according to their website it sounds like it is easy to install testing and unstable, by just using expert mode on the installer and choose which one you want.

I have been using Ubuntu since I bought a System76 laptop awhile back, but all those little things that bother me about it popped up again and then some. I am most likely on my way back to Debian Sid, which I left when it got all weird bringing in Gnome3 stuff. I thought it was a good time to check out other distros before I did.

k3lt01 10-12-2012 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by scorpioofthewoods (Post 4803664)
I am most likely on my way back to Debian Sid, which I left when it got all weird bringing in Gnome3 stuff. I thought it was a good time to check out other distros before I did.

That is the reason LMDE got its own dedicated repository and Linux Mint started using update packs. Clem wanted to limit LMDE users issues with Debian testing updating after each release went to stable so he stopped them using Testing as Debian intended it to be used. Yes you can still use Debian repositories, as Craigevil pointed out, but I doubt the Linux Mint community will give you much support if anything breaks.

scorpioofthewoods 10-13-2012 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by k3lt01 (Post 4803675)
That is the reason LMDE got its own dedicated repository and Linux Mint started using update packs. Clem wanted to limit LMDE users issues with Debian testing updating after each release went to stable so he stopped them using Testing as Debian intended it to be used. Yes you can still use Debian repositories, as Craigevil pointed out, but I doubt the Linux Mint community will give you much support if anything breaks.

I can understand that. Sometimes testing and unstable can get a bit crazy, even if they are not really 'unstable' as in unusable.

verdaz 11-22-2012 01:29 AM

IMO, the Mint team is clearly spread too thin, too busy putting out fires and too busy "building their brand" to find time to adequately keep up with the LMDE "rolling release" plan. Waiting months on end for the release of "update packs" in response to reported problems isn't my idea of a good time.

This time last year, I felt "LMDE xfce" was a good "base install" and xfce showcase.
Currently, xubuntu 12.10 offers better performance (in my testing) as serves as a better showcase of xfce features.
Currently, debian + xfce serves as a better "base install", IMO.

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I doubt the Linux Mint community will give you much support if anything breaks
Vibrant community, but oddly (weirdly) the clueless/helpless participants seem to far outnumber those able to provide expertise in problem-solving. Blind leading the blind? When I find myself in a "clueless" situation, I seldom expect to find a definitive answer inside mint forum threads. Instead, I'm more inclined to click web search results for debian forum or ubuntu forum discussions. AskUbuntu is a great search results resource.
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Never really saw the point of Debian based distros
...but I've learned to not DARE post a clueless inquiry at debian forum, because of the evil, look-down-their-noses, noob-unfriendly punks who hang out there. Just sayin'

scorpioofthewoods 12-04-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by verdaz (Post 4834549)
IMO, the Mint team is clearly spread too thin, too busy putting out fires and too busy "building their brand" to find time to adequately keep up with the LMDE "rolling release" plan. Waiting months on end for the release of "update packs" in response to reported problems isn't my idea of a good time.

I have been checking in on Linux Mint a bit, though I have not installed anything to the hard drive. I think you are right. It sounds like the update packs are suppose to happen once a month, ideally, when in reality it seems they come about once every three months, if one is lucky. The ISO's for LMDE are rather old. The last time they were updated was towards the beginning of the year. This doesn't do me much good since my laptop is newer than that so I cannot use it as I need a newer graphics driver (apparently) than what is in the ISO.


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