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Old 04-17-2010, 02:13 PM   #1
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Installing Gnome-PPP without internet connection


Hi, brand new here and to linux. I'm comming from windows 2000 and running the latest version linux mint. I need to install gnome ppp to get my internet connection running, I have downloaded the files but I'm clueless how to install it from there. I've tried following the instructions that come with it but they are hard to understand. Any easy way to install it without the sudo command because I currently have no connection in linux?
 
Old 04-17-2010, 03:45 PM   #2
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i do not use mint but i would have thought that the Adsl / 56k phone network code would have been installed by default and auto set up by default

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Old 04-17-2010, 03:57 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply John, there are some standard internet connections available but I use verizon wireless mobile broadband, it runs off a pantech 190 usb modem and vzaccess manager. From what I have read wine doesn't support vzaccess manager but I found a thread on the ubuntu forums about them getting the modem working with gnome ppp. I have tried a few other things to get it working but most seem to require an active internet connection in linux to do.
 
Old 04-18-2010, 01:37 AM   #4
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I need to install gnome ppp to get my internet connection running
How do you know that gnomeppp is not already installed (it should be) and why do you believe that this is the specific program you need?
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I have downloaded the files but I'm clueless how to install it from there.
Which files did you download and where from? It is very common for newcomers to obtain unhelpful generic packages that are hard to install and/or out of date.

The best practise is to find someone with an internet connection you can use - eg an ethernet link at an internet cafe - and install needed packages from there using synaptic.
 
Old 04-18-2010, 01:54 AM   #5
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Hi Simon, thanks for the reply. I read this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9123732 which leads me to believe that it will help. I got the files from http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=41 but you are right. I downloaded Damn Small Linux and must have had a bad iso because it wouldn't work. This is on a desktop and I don't know how to connect via ethernet.

I have another pc running win 2000 I can hook up to the net. If I could get simple direction how to run that to the linux it would help a lot. I will try a google search but any links to good instructions for newbs would be appreciated!
 
Old 04-18-2010, 03:15 AM   #6
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I read this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9123732 which leads me to believe that it will help.
Why? Do you use a Huwei modem?

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I got the files from http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=41 but you are right. I downloaded Damn Small Linux and must have had a bad iso because it wouldn't work. This is on a desktop and I don't know how to connect via ethernet.
Lets get this straight:
1. You have installed DSL to the desktop.
2. DSL is not working - you suspect a bad ISO.

In what way is DSL not working?
Note: if it boots, then it is unlikely that you had a bad ISO. Try to concentrate on one problem at a time - if the install failed, then fix the install before looking for functionality.

Do you understand that DSL is a minimal version of linux and, as such, it is very limited?

DSL is based off Knoppix. Neither are that great for newbs.
The standard approach to installing without internet access is to browse to the repository for your distro with another machine and download the packages - making sure you read up on the dependencies. Transfer the packages to the afflicted computer and install them using the distros package manager. You will typically get missing dependency errors, so you'll have a bit of to and fro to do - which is why best practise is to use a supported connection type temporarily. Ethernet is almost always set up to work automatically.

The windows style where you download a single zip, open it, and double click the "install.exe" file will not work for linux because of its modular nature. The upside is that once the core packages are installed, it can be very bandwidth-efficient ... as many of the packages are shared between apps. The downside is what you are experiencing.

If I were you, I'd consider a different distro.

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I have another pc running win 2000
<sympathetic look>
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I can hook up to the net. If I could get simple direction how to run that to the linux it would help a lot. I will try a google search but any links to good instructions for newbs would be appreciated!
That would be over-complicated - you can only use the Win2k box as a gateway if you have the right license for it. We normally set up the linux box as the gateway because there are no artificial restrictions on what you can do with it.

If your computer has an ethernet port, you just plug an ethernet cable into that and wait a bit. The connection is automatic - usually. If you do not have a home network (i.e. one of those 4-port things on your router) then go to a cafe and ask if you can plug your laptop in someplace. They'll show you where to sit.
 
Old 04-18-2010, 03:35 AM   #7
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No I'm running mint now, dsl didn't work but I got mint running no problem. The second post on that thread refers too the 190 modem from verizon which is what I have. I only refered to dsl because you mentioned newbs downloading bad files. I live in a town of less than 500 people so we don't have a cafe to drag my desktop to. I have mint installed on a pc which also has win 2000 so I can get a connection with this pc, just not under linux.

Putting things straight...(I hope),
1. I have linux mint installed side by side with win 2000, both functioning properly.
2. The usb modem isn't working with the standard network connections.
 
Old 04-18-2010, 07:47 AM   #8
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Does the "190 modem from verizon" work under W2k ?.
& if so, how does it connect to W2k _ via usb or ethernet or what?.

in any case, if it does indeed work with W2k, then it can be made to work with Mint.

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Old 04-18-2010, 08:10 AM   #9
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2. The usb modem isn't working with the standard network connections.
Cool - so you have a usb 3G modem (nominally "pantech 190") supplied by your ISP (Verizon)? Lets find out what it thinks it is - open a terminal and enter

lsusb

let me know what it says. Also enter:

dmesg | grep -e "modem" -e "tty"

... however - the umw190 commonly supplied by Verizon is fairly well known.

... everybody is saying "install gnome ppp" but the main thing that does is fill out /etc/wvdial.conf

You could always edit /etc/wvdial.conf by hand: something like ...

[Dialer Defaults]
init1 = atz
Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0
Modem Type = USB Modem
Baud = 460800
New PPPD = yes
Modem = /dev/ttyACM0 <---<<< check this
ISDN = 0
Carrier Check = no
Dial Command = atdt
Username = 1234567890@vzw3g.com
Password = your-password
Phone = #777
Stupid Mode = 1


Dial out by entering:

sudo wvdial

disconnect by killing the terminal or ctrl+C

(you can set it up for a user once you have it working - you'll probably have to fiddle a bit to make it go.)

If you really really really want gnomePPP to do this for you, then you are stuck with browsing to the mint repos and hunting for it. You can find the urls for the repos by looking in /etc/apt/sources.list

The file will have a .deb suffix install it with dpkg. It is likely that it will install if you just double-click it's icon.

----- ----- -----
This is also you?

GnomePPP is a graphical front-end to wvdial so it does not do anything you cannot already do. Those files you downloaded look like source code - you have to compile them. Instructions include words like "make, make install" right?

Be aware that Verizon is notoriously unfriendly to gnu/linux and usb modems associated with them are often windows-only.

You can't be the only person in your town with a computer - see if you cannot find someone with a router.
 
Old 04-18-2010, 01:02 PM   #10
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Yes that's me, posted there originally, the site was down yesterday so I brought my questions here. I'll report those terminal commands when I get home.

@pierre- yes it works with windows 2000 and its usb
 
Old 04-19-2010, 04:21 PM   #11
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corey@corey-desktop ~ $ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c018 Logitech, Inc. Optical Wheel Mouse
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

corey@corey-desktop ~ $ dmesg | grep -e "modem" -e "tty"
[ 0.001303] console [tty0] enabled
[ 0.886653] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[ 0.886754] serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
[ 0.887095] 00:06: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[ 0.887249] 00:07: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A



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You could always edit /etc/wvdial.conf by hand
How would I get in to edit this?
 
Old 04-19-2010, 07:48 PM   #12
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Ok, realize now wvdial is an app which isn't included in the original iso file. I downloaded all neccisary files to run wvdial and figured while I'm at it ill get gnome ppp as well. All packages installed and I tried bot the method in the link and what you posted to try with wvdial. I looked and I have no /dev/ttyACM0. I tried the detect modem feature in gnome ppp but it couldn't find a modem, I'm guessing that's what you had me run those terminal commands to find out.

Ill try to play with some of the settings with the info above but will be glad to hear some further advice. So far it seems to me its not reading my modem as a modem...but what do I know?

Thanks a lot for the help, I appreciate your time
 
Old 04-19-2010, 09:09 PM   #13
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Ran the lsusb again, I may have had the modem unplugged last time, but I now show this in addition to the others:

Bus 001 Device 005: ID 106c:3716 Curitel Communications, Inc.

I googled it to find more search results of mint users with issues installing the UMW190 modem.

EDIT: Originally I attempted the standard network connections utility, it would recognize my modem. I installed linux mint after this side by side with windows 2000. Now I checked and it doesn't recognise my modem...

Edit #2: Running off the live cd it shows "Pantech Incorporated UMW190 USB Modem". So for some reason when I installed it the system isn't recognizing the modem.

Last edited by corcor67; 04-19-2010 at 10:38 PM.
 
Old 04-20-2010, 01:58 AM   #14
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Well I had my suspicions about the dual boot causing my problems. I took an old 14GB hard drive laying around and strapped it into my pc and unplugged the usual one. I formatted than installed Linux Mint 8 on the drive, realizing I had no more access to the gnome ppp filed I swapped drives again and saved the files to a disc. Swapped drives again and installed gnome ppp and just gave it a shot. I'm posting this from firefox on linux mint so it worked. I'd like to run dual boot for a while to decide if I want to perminantly make the swap to linux or not, so I'd like to get that issue figured out. For now it seems I'll be swapping drives.

Thanks for the help!
 
  


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