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Old 12-02-2015, 04:20 PM   #1
PaulFC5
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Can't upgrade Mint13 to 4.3 kernel


For some reason I can't seem to successfully upgrade my Mint13 install to the 4.3 kernel.
It's currently running the 4.1 kernel quite OK - which I'd reached by the usual way of downloading the two header files and the image file - but when I try to do this with the 4.3 kernel it comes up with errors - and the kernel doesn't install.
It seems that it isn't creating the (I guess quite specific) initrd.img-4.3... file - and it comes up with "kmod is not installed" etc

A Mint17.2 install that I've also got seemed to quite happily accept the 4.3 kernel but not the Mint13 install - which (M13) I'd like to stay with for as long as the updates keep going - ie for another year or so - have got a bit too much stuff there to easily port across.
Though,AAMOI, 17.2 does seem to have fixed the video problems I was getting with 17.

TIA
PaulW

AMD FX-4100 cpu - o/clocked from the "stock" 3.6 > ≈4.3
8G of DDR3-1600 RAM running at 1587
ASUS M5A-97EVO SATA3x6 m/b
NVidia GT610 2GB fanless vidcard
ASUS Xonar STX soundcard - excellent!
90G OCZ Vertex3 SATA SDD - running Mint13 - ≈10seconds bootup! - with a
1TB whirlygig Seagate harddrive - with an NTFS "storage"/"dump" partition
DVDRW drive - SATA
CDRW 52x32x52 drive (quite "vintage" now ) - running through a PATA>SATA converter card - essential to be able to burn successful audioCDs
 
Old 12-03-2015, 01:52 AM   #2
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ok, i'll just take your word that mint 13 is still supported.

tbh, it doesn't surprise me that the newest kernel doesn't work well on the (presumably) oldest supported version of linuxmint.

2 thoughts:
- why do you need that newest of all kernels
- work your way down (4.2, 4.1...) until it works.

sorry i cannot offer more palpable advice.
 
Old 12-03-2015, 02:48 AM   #3
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For 32-bit (single command):
Code:
cd /tmp; wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.3-wily/linux-headers-4.3.0-040300-generic_4.3.0-040300.201511020949_i386.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.3-wily/linux-headers-4.3.0-040300_4.3.0-040300.201511020949_all.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.3-wily/linux-image-4.3.0-040300-generic_4.3.0-040300.201511020949_i386.deb; sudo dpkg -i *.deb
For 64-bit (single command):
Code:
cd /tmp; wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.3-unstable/linux-headers-4.3.0-040300-generic_4.3.0-040300.201511020846_amd64.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.3-unstable/linux-headers-4.3.0-040300_4.3.0-040300.201511020846_all.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.3-unstable/linux-image-4.3.0-040300-generic_4.3.0-040300.201511020846_amd64.deb; sudo dpkg -i *.deb
 
Old 12-03-2015, 09:28 PM   #4
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ok, i'll just take your word that mint 13 is still supported.
Yes - it will get updates until April '17!
And I had a few small but annoying video issues with 17 - which, as I say, seem to have disappeared with the upgrade to 17.2.
So, yes, at some point I'll "migrate" everything over to 17.2LTS - but I'm quite happy to stay with 13 for as long as I can.

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tbh, it doesn't surprise me that the newest kernel doesn't work well on the (presumably) oldest supported version of linuxmint.
No - it won't work at all! - it writes all the abi..., config..., System.map..., and vmlinuz... files; but not the initrd.img... file - which, I think, is the bootup file.

Quote:
2 thoughts:
- why do you need that newest of all kernels
Have just made a practice of updating the kernel every few months - Mint13 came out with a 2.xx kernel I think - and similarly video drivers. It seems to me to be good practice to keep OSs and drivers as up-to-date as possible - can often make things work better and be a bit "snappier" - eg for some reason winDoze7 now seems to be be able to "sleep" again after one of its latest upgrades - which it hasn't been able to do for months.

Quote:
- work your way down (4.2, 4.1...) until it works.
Every kernel update so far (ie up to 4.1) has installed and worked fine - but am just slightly puzzled as to why Mint13's suddenly not accepting any of the 4.1+ (= 4.2&4.3) kernels.
At one point one of the error messages said something about the nvidia driver - I use the latest driver (352.63 ex the NVsite) which is a good idea with such a feeble card - but I prefer it because it's got no fan - and nvidia cards seem to generally be more "linux-friendly" than AMDs.
So I tried going back to an older videodriver via the package manager - but, even though the video error messages then disappeared, the 4.3 kernel still wouldn't fully install .

And as regards:
Quote:
ShvonderSiN
For 64-bit (single command):
Code: cd /tmp; wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.3....
That's simply what I've been doing and getting to work OK for 2 or 3 years now - downloading the 3x files: ...amd64 headers, ...all headers, the kernel image file, and installing them.

I know that it's possible to do a "distro upgrade" from 12.04 to 14.04 - and so it's not a big problem - but, mainly for curiosity , I'd just like to know why Mint13/12.04 has stopped accepting kernel upgrades - while my 17.2 install seems quite OK with them.

Cheers
PaulW
 
Old 12-04-2015, 07:06 AM   #5
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No - it won't work at all! - it writes all the abi..., config..., System.map..., and vmlinuz... files; but not the initrd.img... file - which, I think, is the bootup file.
This procedure has worked for me to update the initram info with ONE kernel installed. I can't tell you how to adapt the procedure when more than one kernel is installed - but maybe reading it will provide a clue as to how that may be accomplished.
Then again... if it failed when installing the kernel, it may not work when doing it manually.
Boot your live Mint DVD or USB.
dev/sdc1 is used here as an example. You will have to change that.
Mount the Mint / partition at /mnt:
Code:
sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt
Enter all these commands:
Code:
for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
Code:
sudo chroot /mnt
Code:
update-initramfs -u
CTRL-D to exit chroot
CTRL-D to exit the terminal

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Have just made a practice of updating the kernel every few months - Mint13 came out with a 2.xx kernel I think - and similarly video drivers. It seems to me to be good practice to keep OSs and drivers as up-to-date as possible - can often make things work better and be a bit "snappier" - eg for some reason winDoze7 now seems to be be able to "sleep" again after one of its latest upgrades - which it hasn't been able to do for months.
I can't say that I agree with this. With new kernels, support is added for new devices, but at the same time, support is dropped for older devices.
The decrease in compatibility with non-PAE cpu's in the newer kernels is a case in point.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 06:20 PM   #6
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Smile Just upgrade to the next LTS Mint!

The "solution" was to simply transfer from 13LTS to 17.3LTS as my main OS .

After I was successful in transferring my whole email setup across - which (I must confess ) I was seeing as the main disadvantage/hassle of an upgrade/changeover.
Did this by uninstalling and re-installing Tbird in 17.3, and then copying the whole Mint13 Tbird "profile" across to that new and as-yet-unconfigured install - and (after a careful check!) it(email)'s working fine now.

And also, of course, copying all the various other (/home) files, sub-folders, and Ffox bookmarks etc across too.

PaulW
 
Old 01-01-2016, 03:57 AM   #7
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Did this by uninstalling and re-installing Tbird in 17.3, and then copying the whole Mint13 Tbird "profile" across to that new and as-yet-unconfigured install - and (after a careful check!) it(email)'s working fine now.

And also, of course, copying all ... Ffox bookmarks etc across too.
yes, mozilla products are really good with this.
it even does a compatibility check (and presumably attempts to fix some issues) instead of just crashing.
has never failed me. even things like seamonkey <=> firefox.
 
  


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