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Old 07-25-2010, 03:09 PM   #16
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Oh, should i bow down now? Really, we COULD discuss this in private, and I still assume you know what I'm referring to ... but in case I'm mislead on this: I just consider comparing humans to dogs quite insulting.

(And I still think this thread is nothing more than a stupid troll -- working quite well, given your reaction *scnr*)
 
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Old 07-25-2010, 03:17 PM   #17
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My apologies if my comparison was unclear. The comment has to do with what I always found amusing behavior on the part of the dogs. Humans do the same thing all the time. My point was--and is--ONLY that we had two members arguing with each other as opposed to helping the OP.

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Oh, should i bow down now?
No, please don't
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we COULD discuss this in private
You may contact me at anytime by e-mail or PM

Any further posts to this thread must be on the original topic
 
Old 07-25-2010, 03:21 PM   #18
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Ok, acknowledged. Sorry, but my assumption still is that the OP doesn't really seek help. If I'm wrong on that, we will see
 
Old 07-25-2010, 03:24 PM   #19
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OK---now lets just all wait and see if OP returns
 
Old 07-25-2010, 04:51 PM   #20
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I'm curently using a dell mini n series running linux with ubuntu. I had to reinstall my operating system because, according to Dell, I shouldn't do updates on my mini because the newer packages of linux take up too much room on the hard drive. I'm sorry could you repeat the question?!? That to me makes NO sense. After reinstalling my operating system I tried to link up to my wireless router, which went fine for two days. Today, everytime I open a web browser page it will stay open for aproximatly two mins before it closes by itself for no reason other than to annoy me apparently. Also, it isn't saying any of my bookmarks. After all that, I tried to click on my link to restart my mini & the entire top panel just disappeared?!? I had to turn it off by holding down the power key for 2 seconds. Anyone have ANY of these issues? Please, help, I really want to uninstall linux & install windows but I can't because I only have enough space on the hard drive for linux, which is complete trash! Thanks in advance for any help.
Hi, A Friend have the same Netbook and problems at least you got help from Dell--Ubuntu Is NOT Linux and surely Not Trash If you want to Buy Windows by all means Do So, Now I know that the Sr. members and Mods. Know more than I do, But Debian Testing IS Not for New Users (Play with it myself)Download and Install Linux Mint 9 Based on Ubuntu Uses the same Repos. You might want to Try PCLinuxOS or Mandriva or you might try the Distros in the other Posts,From where I set You need an Easy Distro Mint Is Easy and What Ubuntu Should Be, Just remember Ubuntu Is NOT Linux, Linux Is NOT Ubuntu--Whatever You Do, Good Luck
 
Old 07-25-2010, 06:51 PM   #21
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Hi, A Friend have the same Netbook and problems at least you got help from Dell--Ubuntu Is NOT Linux and surely Not Trash If you want to Buy Windows by all means Do So, Now I know that the Sr. members and Mods. Know more than I do, But Debian Testing IS Not for New Users (Play with it myself)Download and Install Linux Mint 9 Based on Ubuntu Uses the same Repos. You might want to Try PCLinuxOS or Mandriva or you might try the Distros in the other Posts,From where I set You need an Easy Distro Mint Is Easy and What Ubuntu Should Be, Just remember Ubuntu Is NOT Linux, Linux Is NOT Ubuntu--Whatever You Do, Good Luck

How is Ubuntu not Linux?
 
Old 07-25-2010, 11:01 PM   #22
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How is Ubuntu not Linux?
Please Do a Google Search-- Ubuntu Is an OS one of many As You Could Say Any Distro Is Linux As in a Cola is Not a Coke.
 
Old 07-26-2010, 01:27 PM   #23
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Ubuntu Is an OS one of many As You Could Say Any Distro Is Linux As in a Cola is Not a Coke.
I have no idea what you are saying.

First. let's accept the common interpretation that Linux is an operating system--as is Windows, Mac OS-X, etc.

Ubuntu Linux is a version of Linux. Therefore, using common English usage you can say: "Ubuntu is Linux." The sense of this is that Ubuntu is NOT Windows, Mac OS, Unix, VMX, etc. The statement would commonly be interpreted as "Ubuntu is a version of Linux".

You of course can NOT say: "Linux is Ubuntu."
 
Old 07-26-2010, 01:44 PM   #24
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I have no idea what you are saying.
I don't have, either, but ...

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First. let's accept the common interpretation that Linux is an operating system--as is Windows, Mac OS-X, etc.
... I'd rather call THAT a common misconception (unless, of course, you define "operating system" by just that part of code running privileged, aka, the kernel, but that's not-so-common).

I'm really not a fan of RMS, but he's right on THIS one: Linux is "just" the kernel.

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Ubuntu Linux is a version of Linux.
Although it is often said that way, that's wrong. Ubuntu is an operating system distribution containing Linux.

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Old 07-26-2010, 01:54 PM   #25
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zirias;

This issue came up in another recent thread, but I don't recall where.

In common usage, Linux is the name of the complete operating system. The best evidence of this is found at the websites of most major distros, including the "grand old man": http://www.slackware.com/
In the other thread, I did not cite this, but the same de-facto definition is here: http://distrowatch.com/

Given that the usage is so widespread, I think "misconception" is a bit harsh. How about "convenient simplification"?
 
Old 07-26-2010, 01:58 PM   #26
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I'm curently using a dell mini n series running linux with ubuntu. I had to reinstall my operating system because, according to Dell, I shouldn't do updates on my mini because the newer packages of linux take up too much room on the hard drive. I'm sorry could you repeat the question?!? That to me makes NO sense.
In order to update software, you have to download all the new versions, then install them. The updater downloads everything then installs everything (as opposed to download one, install one, download next, install next, etc). So if there are a LOT of updates, you need a lot of disk space. If you don't have it, your disk fills up and then the update fails - and it doesn't automatically "clean up" after itself. The full disk will then cause more problems.

In general, some hardware doesn't like some distros. Since you're having problems with Ubuntu, you have two options: 1) Try and fix Ubuntu, or 2) Try another Linux distro or even another OS entirely. Honestly, the second is probably the better option for you.

And because distros do differ, for you to say "Linux is trash" based on your experience is like if you said "RVs are trash" because you bought an RV and the toilet backed up and then the engine exploded.

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Old 07-26-2010, 07:41 PM   #27
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While not intending to veer off-topic, I would like to point something out.

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Please Do a Google Search-- Ubuntu Is an OS one of many As You Could Say Any Distro Is Linux As in a Cola is Not a Coke.
You list Linux Mint 9 as your distro of choice. Are you aware that this distro is based on Ubuntu? Perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise, OP doesn't need your hypocrisy.

To address the OP--

Ubuntu is a little heavy in terms of resources. And judging by your description of this Dell Mini, it doesn't have a lot of memory, RAM, or CPU under the hood. You may want to give a lighter distro like Puppy a spin. Hey, even a netbook-specific distro like Eeebuntu may be in order.
 
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Old 07-26-2010, 08:15 PM   #28
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"All software has several kinds of "defects" at any given point in time. Defects can be resolved over time through effective software and systems engineering. On the other hand, "bugs" like cockroaches seemingly come out of nowhere and will be with us long after all of us are dust." --- from a trade show keynote speech years ago.

You might get better quality answers by asking more specific questions. Ask yourself questions along these lines:
  • What was I trying to accomplish? (edit a file, upload an image)
  • How did I try to accomplish that? (use 'abcd' program)
  • What did I expect would happen?
  • What actually happened that was different than expected?
  • What do you know about the various parts involved ?
  • What do you want to know so that you might resolve your own situation?

~~~ 0;-Dan
 
Old 07-26-2010, 10:16 PM   #29
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I gotta' wonder if this marine's wife could use the latest Lucid Puppy Linux 5.01, which I'm currently using on my systems here. It takes up little room, has a lot of apps that are used by most folks, and seems to be pretty stable so far. She could download the iso file, burn it to cdrom, and run it live to test it. She could also create a usb installation from the live cd. Either of these could be used for testing, and the cd can be used, of course, for installation. Seems like a trouble-free solution that takes little time or effort to try out.
 
Old 07-27-2010, 12:58 AM   #30
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Exclamation

Ok, somewhere along the line of this thread I have:
Been told I am a "troll"?!?
Been told I am whinning?!?
Been told Ubuntu is NOT Linux?!?
Been told Ubuntu IS Linux?!?
Been told that I CAN install Windows 7?!?
Been told that I can install different versions of Ubuntu?!?
And so on & so forth...

Let me address everything now:
I am NOT in fact a "troll", I am in fact an aggravated Ubuntu user.
I am NOT in fact "whinning", I am exasperated with with my Operating System.
I am utterly confused on the Ubuntu is/isn't Linux debate.
I in fact CANNOT install Windows 7 on my Dell n series Mini at this time because of the simple fact that Windows 7 requires more gbs than my mini has at this time, it has 4 gbs NOT the 7 that is required to install Windows.

Now, to address the issue of the comment I made about Linux being trash.

I apologize in advance to anyone that is a hardcore Linux fan. I, personally, have no use for Linux. I find that, FOR ME, it is not user friendly. I, personally, have had nothing but problems with Linux as an operating system on MY dell mini. I am not happy with the performance of the Linux system on MY dell mini.

Now, if you are an avid Linux user & you love the system, it works great for you, you couldn't do without it, you would recommend it to everyone, ect., please, don't try to persuade me to the Linux Fan Group. The only thing that is keeping me from installing a different OS is that I would have to invest in more gbs for my mini & am unable to atm.

I was asking a question, NOT debating if Ubuntu is Linux or not, wether I'm whiny or not (which as my husband can assure you, having a marine who has been to Iraq makes you really reconsider whinning about ANYTHING. My husbands favorite line is "There are Marines in Iraq that are dying, being shot at, dehydrating or watching any of that happen to their buddies so PLEASE don't complain about...", wether or not I can/ cannot run Windows, ect. If you have a comment on why Linux has so many bugs then PLEASE by all means comment if NOT, then please, for the sake of all that is holy, do not start another post about any of the above.

Thank you.
 
  


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