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Old 02-16-2011, 08:19 AM   #1
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Problems installing Mint 10


Hey, I got a new laptop (HP G62t) I customized it with the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470. So, the problem is that when I go to install Mint 10 along side Windows 7, the installer doesn't recognize Windows 7. It just gives the options to use the entire disk or manually set the partitions. Is there something that could be causing this? What can I do here? I've never ran into anything like this before. I don't know if it's because of all the partitions that HP and Microsoft put on here or what.

If it helps, I currently have 4 partitions for some reasons...
p1 is like 50mb or so
p2 is 300gb or so which is my C:\ drive
p3 is like 17gb or so which is HP's recovery partition (do I even need that? I created a system image of Windows and burnt it to DVD's.)
p4 is like 20mb i think. I have no idea what the 4th partition is for.

As far as the first partition, my assumption is Windows' bootloader or something. Soo... Can anyone figure this out? Thanks in advance.
 
Old 02-16-2011, 08:54 AM   #2
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Hello,

I remember having seen something similar to your problem a while ago. Not sure about it but as far as I remember your Windows 7 factory installation occupies the complete disk and there's no free space left. The first thing you'll need to do is resize your Windows partition to free up some space. That needs to be done from within Windows (search in Google). Next you'll need to know that you can only have 4 primary partitions on a disk. Now, that being said, if you created the system image of Windows as advised by M$ you could, in my opinion, safely remove that recovery partition and in doing so free up one partition. For the partition things you can use a LiveCD of GParted for example. Once all of the above has been done, give it another try.

Kind regards,

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Old 02-16-2011, 08:55 AM   #3
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If you already have four primary partitions, you will not be able to install Mint without deleting one of them. On my HP with windows7 pre-installed, there were three partitions. Boot partition, windows system files and a recovery partition. Not sure what the 20mb partition would be.

Boot the computer with the Mint CD and when it loads to the Desktop, open a terminal and run the command: sudo fdisk -l (lower case Letter L in the command). This should output your partition information and you can post it here and someone should then be able to give you some advice as to what the next step should be. You will likely need to manually set partitions.
 
Old 02-16-2011, 09:02 AM   #4
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Greetingz!

Well, Odds are good you have the following;

P1 Windows 7 Hidden System Partition (here for more info)
P2 Windows 7 itself
P3 HP's "Recovery" Partition (rather than give you a recovery DVD, this is where it's all at)
P4 20MB? No idea.

Important Question: Are all of these partitions "Primary" parititions?

The downside is this; If you *don't* have a Recovery DVD from HP, then you either
a) Can trash the recovery partition, leaving you with no way to restore the data.
b) Can "Resize" the Windows 7 partition (P2), which will be trashed when/if you use HP's Recovery.

My advice would be to dump a compressed copy of the hard drive's entire contents by booting off of a Linux LiveCD and using a combination of dd+ssh+tar+bzip2. You'll need another Linux/UNIX system with a LOT of space.

1) Boot Linux LiveCD
2) Ensure your able to talk to your network (avoid wireless, go with a hard line)
3) Check the output of "fdisk -l /dev/[hs]d[a-z] | grep ." to make sure you identify the hard drive.
4) Run the following to dump the hard drive to the remote Linux/UNIX system.
[code]dd if=/dev/sda | bzip2 -9 - | ssh luser@remotebox 'dd of=/path/to/big/filesystem/laptop_name-device_name-yyyy_mm_dd-hhmm.img.bz2'[code]
 
Old 02-16-2011, 09:04 AM   #5
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awesome thanks. then the 4 partitions is probably is what causing the problem. i will get rid of the recovery drive as its a big waste of 20 gigs imo. lol as far as resizing the windows partition, i know i can resize it during the install once i choose to install side by side. im gonna go restart after posting this and check out fdisk and let ya guys know whats going on with those partitions. thanks for the help so far!
 
Old 02-16-2011, 09:10 AM   #6
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Hi,

OK, looking forward to your response. Do a search in Google for resizing Windows 7 partitions. There's one with screenshots and everything

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 02-16-2011, 09:11 AM   #7
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im not sure if they are all primary partition, but im assuming so since what the other ppl were saying is true. so are you saying even tho i created a system image and burnt it to DVDs, if i dump the recovery partition, i wont be able to restore windows if i ever need to?
 
Old 02-16-2011, 09:21 AM   #8
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ok im on the live cd now. here is what came up from fdisk....

Quote:
mint@mint ~ $ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x880afec3

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 26 203776 7 HPFS/NTFS
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda2 26 36640 294098944 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda3 36640 38901 18160640 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda4 38901 38914 105816 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
 
Old 02-16-2011, 09:52 AM   #9
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im not sure if they are all primary partition, but im assuming so since what the other ppl were saying is true. so are you saying even tho i created a system image and burnt it to DVDs, if i dump the recovery partition, i wont be able to restore windows if i ever need to?
As you've had several people reply to your post, I'm not sure if your asking anyone in particular (next time hit the "quote" button).
If you made a "system image", that's great. Wether or not it's usable is entirely up to how that was made; if you used a wizard on the laptop; great, it should work. If you used some software you're not entirely sure how to "restore" with...well, I wouldn't call that a "known good backup".
Some CD's or DVD's of your system shouldn't necessarily have anything to do with the Restore partition.
 
Old 02-16-2011, 09:59 AM   #10
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As you've had several people reply to your post, I'm not sure if your asking anyone in particular (next time hit the "quote" button).
If you made a "system image", that's great. Wether or not it's usable is entirely up to how that was made; if you used a wizard on the laptop; great, it should work. If you used some software you're not entirely sure how to "restore" with...well, I wouldn't call that a "known good backup".
Some CD's or DVD's of your system shouldn't necessarily have anything to do with the Restore partition.
sorry my bad, i used windows' system image maker thingy, thats why i assume it will work... who knows. worse comes to worse if something goes haywire on the windows side, i can either just buy windows 7 or just use my xp disc. but about these partitions... so i should be able to delete the recovery partition, but any idea what the 4th partition might be? that's something i don't want to just go and delete and find out windows wont boot. lol
 
Old 02-16-2011, 12:38 PM   #11
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Windows 7 can disk manager can shrink itself by 50% provided it isn't losing data.
Another thing is the 20MB partition showing up in disk manager?

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Old 02-16-2011, 12:46 PM   #12
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sorry my bad, i used windows' system image maker thingy, thats why i assume it will work... who knows.
Okay, that might work. Never tried it myself.

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worse comes to worse if something goes haywire on the windows side, i can either just buy windows 7 or just use my xp disc.
If you have a valid Product Key (typically a sticker on the underside of the laptop) and you do not have several hundred dollars to spend, then you shouldn't need to buy a disc of Windows 7.

You can either;
a) Contact your OEM and request a replacement installation disc.
b) Obtain a confirmed Release-to-Manufacture (RTM) ISO* of the particular Windows 7 distribution you have a Product key for, and your good.

*=Google-up the MD5 sums of the Official RTM ISOs, then compare those against the ISO you obtain.
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but about these partitions... so i should be able to delete the recovery partition,
Yes, you should be able to. I would also advise that you resize the main Windows 7 partition to something more negotiable.

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but any idea what the 4th partition might be? that's something i don't want to just go and delete and find out windows wont boot. lol
Not a clue. I would boot a Linux LiveCD and try to mount it read-only, then check the contents. It may be related to the OEM's Recovery method...


Suggested Partitioning
If you feel the need to completly reinstall every OS on your laptop, this is what I would suggest;
P1: Windows 7's "Hidden System Partition"
P2: Windows 7 itself.
P3: Linux distribution of your choice
P4: A big FAT32 partition so you can store data accessible by both Operating Systems.
NOTE: You do not need a "swap partition" for Linux. You can create a swap file after installation.
Caveat: If you don't know what size you should make partitions 2, 3 and 4, go with 33% of the drive. You have a large hard drive, so you shouldn't notice the crunch for a while.
 
Old 02-16-2011, 12:51 PM   #13
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This is how you view the other partitions if hidden
http://www.notebookforums.com/thread217870.html
 
Old 02-16-2011, 12:55 PM   #14
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If you have another computer or storage you can make an image of whole drive and not have that problem.
 
Old 02-16-2011, 09:19 PM   #15
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sorry for the slow response. i work 3rd shift so i was asleep. lol

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Okay, that might work. Never tried it myself.


If you have a valid Product Key (typically a sticker on the underside of the laptop) and you do not have several hundred dollars to spend, then you shouldn't need to buy a disc of Windows 7.

You can either;
a) Contact your OEM and request a replacement installation disc.
b) Obtain a confirmed Release-to-Manufacture (RTM) ISO* of the particular Windows 7 distribution you have a Product key for, and your good.
Yea, sorry, thats what I meant by getting a copy of Windows 7. I think its only like 30 bucks through them for buying a laptop. Not bad if you ask me. lol Better than paying 200 bucks.

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Yes, you should be able to. I would also advise that you resize the main Windows 7 partition to something more negotiable.

Not a clue. I would boot a Linux LiveCD and try to mount it read-only, then check the contents. It may be related to the OEM's Recovery method...

Suggested Partitioning
If you feel the need to completly reinstall every OS on your laptop, this is what I would suggest;
P1: Windows 7's "Hidden System Partition"
P2: Windows 7 itself.
P3: Linux distribution of your choice
P4: A big FAT32 partition so you can store data accessible by both Operating Systems.
NOTE: You do not need a "swap partition" for Linux. You can create a swap file after installation.
Caveat: If you don't know what size you should make partitions 2, 3 and 4, go with 33% of the drive. You have a large hard drive, so you shouldn't notice the crunch for a while.
I planned on resizing the partition. No need to worry there. lol Gonna probably split the Windows 7 partition in half. 150gb for each OS should be plenty of space. I don't keep my music/videos/pictures on my laptop anyways. That's all on my desktop shared to every computer in the house.

As far as the partitions go, here's what i found out from nautilus...
P1: /media/SYSTEM ... 199mb ... flags: boot ... (Yes its the boot patition for Windows)
P2: /media/26B8FCD1B8FCA10B ... 280gb ... (Windows 7, of course)
P3: (no point point) ... label: RECOVERY ... 17gb ... (The recovery partition???, it doesn't show up in nautilus...)
P4: /media/HP_TOOLS ... 103mb ... flags: lba ... (This one has to do with the BIOS and System Diagnostics. See below)

HP_TOOLS partition contents:
Root of drive
>Hewlett-Packard
>>BIOS
>>>Current
>>>New
>>>Previous
>>BIOSUpdate
>>>(bunch of files referring to upgrading the BIOS)
>>SystemDiags
>>>(bunch of files referring to doing system diagnostics)
>$RECYCLE.BIN
>>desktop.ini
>HP_WSD.dat

Ok so, hope this helps to whether or not to get rid of the recovery drive and the hp tools drive. the hp tools drive doesn't show up in windows, which is odd... and the recovery drive doesn't show up in nautilus, which is even more odd. lol

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