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Old 12-09-2004, 12:04 AM   #1
nagromo
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Looking at laptops


I'm looking at laptops and I would like your advice. I would use it for net, homework, and programming, and maybe games. I would like to install Linux on it. Rated from most importan to least important, I care about battery life, power, and size. I can't spend a huge amount; it will have to be under $2000

1) How is (linux) hardware support for the GeForce Go5200 and Mobility Radeon 9600?

2) How would those cards handle games like Morrowind or older (while in Windows)?

(I would expect the NV to be more compatible and the Radeon to be more powerful (due to a newer chip), but I don't really know.)

3) How much hardware support do integrated graphics provide? Just low-perf 3D accel, or none? (I might give up on games, but I do need some 3D accel for my programming.)

4) How standard of a screen size should I shoot for, especially if I want to play games? (I don't know if games would run at 1366*768, and resized/non-native LCDs look bad.)

5) If I plan to keep using it for a while, would you recommend upgrading to 1GB ram, or will 512MB be plenty for a while? Also, what's the difference between one stick of ram and two when they have the same total capacity?

6) What are some laptops you would recommend? Currently I am looking at the Dell Inspiration 8600 because it is relatively powerful with a good battery life. I'd like to hear your advice and suggestions, though.

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Old 12-09-2004, 07:03 AM   #2
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To one: Nvidia offers an own driver for all their cards. You need to have your Kernelsource installed, then he is able to even compile an sutible driver for your kernel. Readon I do not know, but there are drivers already included in the normal distributions.
To Two: I do not know such games (sorry). Graphic has the same quality in Linux and Windows (That is because it is more hardware dependent)
To three: I can watch TV and videos. Without 3D accel its simply do not run.
To four: fast games on LCD is not optimal at all. Best is always the biggest, but how big your laptop should be, that he still fits in your bag?
To five: Depends on your graphic card. If it has its own ram, 512 is okay. On the other hand, if you want to work with a lot of graphics (pictures, videos etc.) more is better.
To six: buy one with linux preinstalled ;-)))

Hope I could help so far. I bought one two years ago so I am not so actual.
Cheers Lars
 
Old 12-09-2004, 09:42 AM   #3
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Yea...i'm definately going to have to agree with onthefly...you should buy one that has linux preinstalled. The reason for this is that laptops always seem to be harder to get to work than desktops, so why not eliminate that problem and buy one that has been set up for you? i would go to Emperor Linux i have had sucess with them and thier prices are relatively low. Hope that helps

arrivederci
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Old 12-09-2004, 11:30 AM   #4
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Stay way away from ATI... If offered a choice, go with an nVidia Chipset. The ATI chipsets have spotty support. My laptop for instance has an ATI Radeon 7500 mobility,... and all I can get is the open source ATI drivers working on the thing. So, even though the thing has the power to do a lot, it doesn't run well because of the driver issue.

Also, Doom 3 runs better on nVidia, as do most games made by ID.
 
Old 12-09-2004, 10:29 PM   #5
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well i bought a tecra m2 for 2.6k aud, which is about i would 1.8-1.9k usd. its got a 5200fx great card with geat drivers for linux. i'v been running slackware on there for the past 6 months with no problems got all my hardware working.
 
Old 12-09-2004, 11:07 PM   #6
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what about Intel Extreme Graphics / IEG 2 video cards?
 
Old 12-09-2004, 11:14 PM   #7
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im not sure about those. the main reason i went for the tecra was because of its video card, the nvidia have really stable drivers for linux. the ati's are not very good from what i'v read. im sure there is drivers for the intel cards, but i would recomend an nvidia based card.



http://www.allintel.ru/archive/image...a_tecra_m2.jpg

btw here is a picture of the tecra m2
 
Old 12-09-2004, 11:31 PM   #8
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Wow... the Terca m2 does look very good. Here's the Newegg page for it. That looks really good; it has good performance and battery life and it's relatively cheap and lightweight. I'm impressed. You say it has no problems with Slackware, too. Nice.

Oh, and Intel Extreme is integrated graphics. Poor performance and shared memory, but cheaper and better battery life.

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Old 12-09-2004, 11:34 PM   #9
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I don't think it's necessary to buy a laptop with Linux preinstalled. I've always stuck with Toshiba and it's never done me wrong. As long as you're mindful of the hardware, you'll be OK.
 
Old 12-09-2004, 11:51 PM   #10
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On a different note... I recommend Mandrake as the Linux distro to use on your laptop. That is the distro I had the least amount of troubles with on a laptop. Also, another reason to buy a Linux pre-installed laptop is because wireless will already be configured... that is one of the more annoying things to deal with on a laptop. Cheers.

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Old 12-10-2004, 02:48 AM   #11
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Quote:
Originally posted by JaseP
Stay way away from ATI... If offered a choice, go with an nVidia Chipset. The ATI chipsets have spotty support. My laptop for instance has an ATI Radeon 7500 mobility,... and all I can get is the open source ATI drivers working on the thing. So, even though the thing has the power to do a lot, it doesn't run well because of the driver issue.
OTOH, ATI has released the chip-details of the 7500, as opposed to the 9600 which is closed and proprietary.

What does this mean if you already have a computer/lappie with said chip? With the 7500 you have the open source community working on constantly improving the support for the chip (reports claiming that the support is improved in later versions of X.org). With the 9600 you are forced to rely on ATI's support for Linux and their proprietary drivers.

/TLV
 
Old 12-10-2004, 03:18 AM   #12
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Quote:
Originally posted by mandrakemikael
what about Intel Extreme Graphics / IEG 2 video cards?
My thinkpad R51 has IEG2, and 3D acc. is not bad at all. I can't remember the glxgears numbers, I'll post them tonight when I get home, but I can play SOF from Loki very smoothly at 1024x768 and Celestia (which is very graphics hungry I believe) is also smooth but I am limited to 2k textures, although that is good enough for me.

IBM claim a battery life of 9 hours or so if you replace the combi drive with another battery.

It's very Linux compatible, I even got most of the acpi stuff working well enough to be useful

hth

mark

ps I upgraded it to 512mb RAM when I bought it and performance is excellent IMO
 
Old 12-10-2004, 08:48 AM   #13
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Quote:
Originally posted by TLV
OTOH, ATI has released the chip-details of the 7500, as opposed to the 9600 which is closed and proprietary.

What does this mean if you already have a computer/lappie with said chip? With the 7500 you have the open source community working on constantly improving the support for the chip (reports claiming that the support is improved in later versions of X.org). With the 9600 you are forced to rely on ATI's support for Linux and their proprietary drivers.

/TLV
I have a Radeon 9000 in my computer. The open-source 'radeon' or 'ati' drivers work on chips up to the 9200. Anything newer than the 9200 requires their proprietary drivers.

Before I knew that I tried installing their proprietary drivers. They were a huge pain; I gave up when I realized that I could run the open source dri drivers.
 
Old 12-10-2004, 09:33 AM   #14
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toshiba m200

The m200 is a great alternative, it's a tablet, it has no dvd/cd rom but you can buy one for usb2. The really interesting part is the geforce graphics and the 12" screen with sxga+ graphics. If you think that will be small, then remember that everything can be adjusted like font size and such in linux, you will get greater image resolution, that is never a bad thing.
 
  


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