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Old 12-29-2012, 08:04 PM   #1
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Disabling Windows 8 Secure Boot. Does it allow Dual Booting or not.


I'm looking at getting a new $400-$600 laptop. It's been impossible to find one without Windows 8. From what I've read, W8 has a new technology. UEFI instead of using BIOS to boot up. The techno stuff is isn't important at this time. The issue is the new technology prevents dual booting. I need that ability to dual boot.

I've been researching W8 Secure Boot / UEFI. I've read a few items that makes the Yay or Nay hard to determine.

1) Linux Kernel maintainers say they haven't developed anything that works at 100% and are awaiting cooperation from MS. (As I understood it) So in short, no Dual Booting
2) Secure Boot can be disabled to allow the boot of other OS. Dual Booting? It didn't clarify.
3) I've read where some people have used something called BumbleBeed to allow dual boot. Is this the case and does it require specific Distros.


So the skinny is, while I'm sure its not this simple I am hoping I can get a "Yes, disable Secure Boot and load which ever distro you like" or "No W8 will never allow a stable dual boot and if you do set something up, all programs will need to be finessed to get installed and used."

I'm at my wits end. I debating on putting a new mother board in my HP DV2945SE and just staying what I'm at lol

Thanks in Advance
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:45 PM   #2
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I have a friend in my LUG who tried to set up dual boot on a new Win8 Lenovo. At last report, he was able to turn off Secure Boot and install Linux, but could no longer boot Windows 8. That was almost a month ago and I haven't heard any updates since then, but I've been out circulation preoccupied with family matters), so he might have made some progress.

As near as I can tell, the jury is still out.

You might keep your eye on LXer for news.
 
Old 12-29-2012, 11:52 PM   #3
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I wonder if you could turn on/off Secure boot as Windows was needed? Just a thought
 
Old 12-30-2012, 12:28 PM   #4
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One fellow in the Mint forum claims to have installed Mint on his new Asus ASUS S56CA-WH31 15.6-Inch.
Initially he said he could not dual boot with Mint.
He wiped the drive and installed W7 and Mint. No problems he said. He did not like W8 anyway.
This tells me that the Secure boot is not an issue in this case.

All the blah, blah, blah I read says the Secure Boot is suppose to keep you from installing any other OS.

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Old 12-31-2012, 09:28 AM   #5
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I have been following UEFI issues on these fora ever since I bought a new PC a few months ago. I had a little trouble getting dual booting working but was successful. This was with a Windows 7 machine and this did not have true secure booting.

I have not yet seen any report of anyone successfully dual booting Windows 8 and Linux. The best bets at present would seem to be Ubuntu 12.10 or Sabayon see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTI2MzI

Perhaps if these can be installed successfully you can piggy back into your preferred distro.
 
Old 12-31-2012, 02:00 PM   #6
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You CAN dual boot, but if you want to dual boot with Win8 you will need to either use one of the distros that have certifcates available for Secure Boot, or turn secure boot off to use linux and back on to use Windows 8.
 
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:53 PM   #7
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Nyte owl - that's what I was thinking on the on/off secure boot thing.

As for distro, I'm staying with Slackware and unfortunetly the original is often over looked when things like software considerations are concerned.

Either way, it doesn't matter I found a one with Windows 7. It's a little low budget but after the holidays, was all I could swing.

Thanks for all the help guys
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:39 AM   #8
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I dug into this fairly hard recently. UEFI should be OK, per se. M$ insist for windows 8 on having a nvram register of acceptable keys, and the tools that alter that have to be signed with the m$ key. Go figure. The problem isn't secure boot, it's m$.So manufacturers do the sensible thing.

ATM you cannot dual boot with windows 8. if a GPT disk is seen, it's only boot mechanism is secure boot. If an mbr is seen, and legacy os is selected in the bios, you can boot from an mbr. Any success stories on secure boot do not have windows 8. Mind you windows 8 is SO AWFUL that i for one can't take it seriously. Did you see this? A lot of wise comments buried in This Thread.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 09:23 AM   #9
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I don't know why anyone would want to dual boot with the horrendous Window$ 8, but if you must then know that Window$ 8 requires Secure Boot. As such you can keep turning it on and off, or you could try using Secure Boot on Linux too:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20303.html

You can already see that it is an evil plot by M$ to own our computers. I hope they fail before they accomplish their goal ... and this in not unlikely considering the state of Window$ 8.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 10:24 AM   #10
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Tex,

I concure about computer control being slowly removed from the user by MS. I was really surprised by how unique Windows 8 was made with the purpose of not allowing the computer to be used for anything but. Even more amazed that computer makers would allow themselves to be strong armed in to the Secure Boot function of the BIOS, if they didn't want to include it.

However, not speaking for you specifically, I'm always surprised that MS and Windows are seen as a Giant corporate plot to enslave it's users by limiting their capabilities and forcing dependence. In reality, thats the goal of most large corps I would assume. While it's no suprise that MS has gotten this image, I'm am surprised however, that Apple is typically seen as a "rebel" where electronics are concern. While I do think their products are good products, I've never seen a company try so hard to control everything they are associated with even to the point of how their products are used by the end consumer.

I'm not anti Apple nor pro MS. Fact is I don't see any difference between the two. Again, just aways surprised that their images are so different in the eyes of the electronics world.

BTW While dead now, the MS Zune was a hell of a product. Cost per Gig, was heads and shoulders above the IPod. I still have mine and use it daily and religously.

Having said all of that... Long Live Linux!!! I really think it is the future of the computer world. Once it expands and is accepted beyond the desktop/laptop world, it will put the electronic devices back in the hands of the users. IMHO

Ace
 
Old 01-02-2013, 01:27 PM   #11
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Quote:
I'm not anti Apple nor pro MS. Fact is I don't see any difference between the two. Again, just aways surprised that their images are so different in the eyes of the electronics world.
Possibly because historically they were quite different. When Jobs and Wozniak started Apple, their computers were a hobbiest and tinkerer's dream. But Jobs wanted to move to a more corporate stance and when the Woz left and regular operations of Apple fell to Jobs it became just another voracious corporation that lost ties to its roots. Microsoft on the other hand was always a voracious predator.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 02:59 PM   #12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NyteOwl View Post
You CAN dual boot, but if you want to dual boot with Win8 you will need to either use one of the distros that have certifcates available for Secure Boot, or turn secure boot off to use linux and back on to use Windows 8.
NyteOwl, I'd love you to elaborate on this. Is the disk gpt or mbr? How does linux boot if it's gpt?
 
Old 01-03-2013, 03:55 PM   #13
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GPT is part of the EFI spec. This requires EFI awareness in the Linux boot so you are looking at eLilo or Grub2 for bootloaders. It takes some patience but Linux can boot from GPT disks.

Some referencees:

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/

http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html

http://www.google.ca/search?q=Linux+boot+GPT
 
Old 01-04-2013, 03:04 AM   #14
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Agreed. Linux can do EFI - with windows 7.

With windows 8, m$ insist on a very restrictive bios setup from the manufacturer which effectively precludes dual boot. Read the insightful comments posted (Not by me) Here
 
  


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