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Old 07-25-2002, 06:03 PM   #16
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AC97 snags


Wotcha m8y,

Thanks for the last 2 posts, the only slight drawback is that I might have to come back to you for some of the "monkey see, monkey do" type of instruction on it, we will see won't we.

As per the other post from finegan, it was quite a novel experience being able to cut and paste (to use M$ parlance) as it means that when I get other snags I will be able to litter the forums with shell output, and maybe i'll even be able to come up with some even more obscure (and potentially stupid) questions.

Seriously though, I was pleased as punch with how it was going by using your advice when good old linux comes back with another kick in the bollocks. Though I will have to leave it till tomorrow to be able to give your suggestions a go as it's now just after 1115 pm and the only reason that i'm up is because I couldn't sleep and I have to be up to get ready for work just after midnight (and if I start meddling now I will loose track of time - even though i've got the timer on screen!!!)

But, i've got 40 minutes or so before I have to hit the shower, so


within the Royal Navy (please note that we Brits are arrogant enough not to use our nationality - just Royal - a bit like the postage stamps i.e. I believe I am right in saying that we are the only nation in the world not to put our country name on them)
as I was saying, RN medical branch is based on the medical assistant (basically a paramedic) but you also get medical technicians, those would be radiographers, health inspectors, etc etc plus the nurses (I think i'm right in saying that basic nurses are "ratings" and specialist nurses i.e. theatre etc are often officers)(the maxim being that officers have rank where everyone else has rate - hence the formal address of "officers and men of the royal navy).

There are a few strange quirks, you would have to watch a major ceremonial to notice that our army and air force officers, when in best dress, wear their sword directly from the belt, naval officers have their swords on long straps (I can't remember the name of them) which means that their sword is worn "at the drag" this is a sign of disgrace. Something to do with a historical mutiny when the men took over and barricaded themselves into a ship. When they came out after some negotiation, the officers killed them.

There is also the fact that army, airforce and marines can have a moustache or have to be clean shaven. The royal navy can only have a full beard or be clean shaven. That was to do with queen victoria. Her husband had a beard and granted that priviledge to the RN. (mind you, it's a bugger to get a decent seal when you are doing respirator testing - you either shave or learn to hate CS gas with a passion!).

When we were in a foreign port, you would often have aquaintances round for a drink. If they were US personnel they would often be suprised to be offered a beer. (from nothing to leading hand -roughly PO 3rd US equivalent - the allowance is 3 cans of beer per man per day, PO - PO 2nd US - upwards get more beer and a few shots of "liquor", officers are unlimited). The result being that the inevitable drinking competitions ashore were usually defeats for the US blokes, we'd had a fair bit of practice!!!

What else??? Oh yes, the RN does have women at sea, though only on ships of destroyer/frigate size and upwards, they tend to be roughly 10 % of a ships company. But due to accomodation limitations they don't go to small ships i.e minesweepers etc or to submarines. In my experience, the down side of women at sea was that there was always some stupid prat who would give them the lighter jobs and us blokes ended up with the donkey work!!! so much for equality. If I remember correctly, the women do all jobs/trades in the air force, but they don't do front line combat jobs with the army, but they still get the full fire arms training.

As a pharmacy tech, your chances of getting to sea would be even lower here, mainly due to the relative size of the service, when I was "down the Med" in 1990, the nato squadron I was with did some exercises with the USS JFK, when the ships got to Majorca for a rest, the JFK was putting more blokes ashore every night as shore patrol (450) than my entire ships company (235). Though there was an upside, we were on the next jetty to the JFK in Trieste, they sailed 2 days before us and ended up giving my ship about 300 cases of beer left over from their "recreation tent" which happened to be right by our after gangway. Much merriment was partaken.

In my time (I left the navy in 1996) I had served on 3 ships. The Penelope was a leander class frigate, the Cardiff is still a type 42 destroyer and the Fearless was an LPD assault ship - own swimming pool, landing craft, etc (which came in mighty handy when it became the first British warship to visit Cancun in mexico - the beaches, the sun, the margheritta's, all such terrible experiences - NOT)

Right, enough of the "pull up a bollard" stuff, the alarms just gone off for me to get up? i'll post later today when I've had some time to try those suggestions of yours


regards

John

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Old 07-26-2002, 08:48 AM   #17
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[root@localhost alsa-driver-0.5.12a]# ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for linux/fs.h... yes
checking for working const... yes
checking for inline... inline
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... yes
checking whether gcc needs -traditional... no
checking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux
checking for kernel version... expr: syntax error
expr: syntax error
expr: syntax error
failed (probably missing /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h)

Right,

above is the output from the latest attempt to do the ./configure of the alsa driver.

As per your instructions, I stuck the disc 1 in the drive, I then found the "RPM's" bit and found an rm about the kernel 2.4.18 etc and tried to install it, but it came back with some rubbish about unable to install and raising errors. I then found another rpm about the kernel 2.4.18 secure version. I managed to install that version instead, and it seemed to go in ok, so I "su'd" and followed the instructions for the "symlink" and I got a # prompt back (I am given to understand that "no news is good news" as far as linux goes).

I have then followed the earlier instructions to cd to the alsa-driver etc etc and the configure with cards command didn't seem to work so I tried just ./configure - as in the output posting above, and that is what it has given me, it looks the same as before.

I wish that this bastard OS had an "undo" facility as per window$ then at least I could go back through it to see if I did anything wrong, but no it just means I'm back asking for any other idea's. I very much appreciate all the digging around and translation that you are doing for me. I just wish that I had taken lessons in russian, latin and sanskrit when I was at school then I might also be able to understand the stuff at google.com/linux.

I have just remembered that clare bought some tonic when she went shopping yesterday so I shall now go downstairs and mix a little of it with some gin.

Yes, I do believe that a large G&T and some light music (I can feel some guns n' roses coming on) should chill away the frustration and depression that I am currently experiencing with linux/my system. That should pass the time while dinner is in the oven.


I shall "set watch" about this time tomorrow to see if anyone has any ideas WTF I am doing wrong!

dah-di-di-dit dah
di-dah di-dah-dit

regards

John
 
Old 07-26-2002, 11:15 AM   #18
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From the looks of it the kernel source isn't being found. Have a little looky in /usr/src and see whether there is a linux folder and if there is if there is anything in it. If there is sod all there then have a look in the other folders (if any) in /usr/src. if there is something like /usr/src/linux-2.4.18mdk then have a look in there. There should be a load of stuff in there (if there is a folder called 'Documentation' then you're sorted). If there ain't anything there then you need to install the kernel-source rpm (as per other instructions) but make sure that the description of the rpm mentions sources or header files.

Once you have a folder in /usr/src with the kernel sources (either if it was already there or you have just installed it) you need to make sure that there is a simlink (or a shortcut in windows lingo) called 'linux' pointing to the relevant folder (see MasterCls post on ln on making the link). Check whether this worked by typing 'ls -l' and you should see the name 'linux' pointing to the correct folder.

This should proper compilation of alsa. You may want to keep in mind that alsa is probably already on the cd for your distro and would save you all the hassle.

By the looks of earlier posts the earlier modprobe thingy seems like it worked
Quote:
Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 0.21, 03:22:49 Mar 15 2002
PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1f.5
PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1f.3
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1f.5 to 64
i810: Intel ICH2 found at IO 0xe000 and 0xdc00, IRQ 11
lp0: compatibility mode
i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels.
ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x414c:0x4710 (ALC200/200P)
i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0 supports AMAP, total channels = 2
does the sound not work after this all runs along?

Its possible that you will need to turn the sound up using a mixer program (the same sort of thing that you got from double clicking the speaker icon in windows). When alsa is finally sorted you will need to remember to do this since alsa comes with the volume turned down after install (i always have to open up a mixer program whenever the computer has been switched off).

does xmms (or another sound program) complain when you start them? If not then there must be something else wrong apart from the driver that linux is using (that's what i think anyway).

Hope that helps

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Old 07-30-2002, 02:18 PM   #19
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FAO masterC,

if you are still reading this thread, I have yet to try the ideas posted by webtoe (later on this evening!)

But, I saw the ideal sea going job for you on the TV the other evening.

It is the "USNHS Comfort". Your naval hospital ship was in at Southampton, and the TV people did a feature 'cos some RN medical staff did a visit and had a guided tour.

It looked, for all the world, like the bloody great toyota car transporter ship that I saw on the last occassion that I transitted the Panama canal.

In fact, it looked that big, that it would have to be "blowing a right B*****d" on the "green and crinkley" for any of the crew to even contemplate sea sickness.

But at least you'd get some "sea time" under your belt (even though it'd be a bit of a bugger for your family!)

regards

John

p.s. apparently, they were doing the visit enroute to an exercise in the Baltic!

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Old 07-30-2002, 02:47 PM   #20
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Oakey Doakey,

I just tried the suggestion from webtoe, and the only thin that I can find in the /usr/src directory, is one labelled RPM and a file/directory/what you call it marked linux - the icon is the one that looks like a "printed page with a large green question mark superimposed on it, when I click on it the bastard gives me a dialogue saying that I don't have "enough permission" to read it. How much more permission do I need when I was logged in as root!

Any further ideas would be appreciated (monkey see monkey do, of course!)

regards (though depressed again and thinking that "smack" mightn't be such a bad idea after all)

John
 
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right, you be needing to install them damned kernel sources that never seem to be around when you need them. Lob in your mandy disk and look on there for an rpm which has 'kernel' and 'sources' in it. Install this one.

Or you could go to www.kernel.org to upgrade your kernel but this may be worth too much hassle.

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Old 07-31-2002, 03:19 PM   #22
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John, I just plopped in me old Mandy disc, and it's on the second one. It's called: kernel-source-2.4.18-6mdk.i586.rpm

RPM it in, afterwards, check, it should be in /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-6mdk

If it's there, you will want to make a symlink like this:
ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-6mdk /usr/src/linux

If there is already one, delete it.

Cool

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Old 08-01-2002, 04:59 AM   #23
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Originally posted by bigjohn
FAO masterC,

if you are still reading this thread, I have yet to try the ideas posted by webtoe (later on this evening!)

But, I saw the ideal sea going job for you on the TV the other evening.

It is the "USNHS Comfort". Your naval hospital ship was in at Southampton, and the TV people did a feature 'cos some RN medical staff did a visit and had a guided tour.

It looked, for all the world, like the bloody great toyota car transporter ship that I saw on the last occassion that I transitted the Panama canal.

In fact, it looked that big, that it would have to be "blowing a right B*****d" on the "green and crinkley" for any of the crew to even contemplate sea sickness.

But at least you'd get some "sea time" under your belt (even though it'd be a bit of a bugger for your family!)

regards

John

p.s. apparently, they were doing the visit enroute to an exercise in the Baltic!
Yeah, although I don't think anyone who tells people they served on the Mercy or the Comfort really are thought of as "salty". They rarely (this is the first I have heard) ever move those ships except during a time of war. The main reason most Hospital Corpsman serve on those ships is to get their sea time over with, so they can return to their Air Conditioned hospitals far away from any water or ship. At least that has been what I have experienced.

Thanks for the shot though, that's pretty cool. I guess I might consider that as my donation to the sea going Navy.

How's the sound coming?
 
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Oh and you can call me Chad.

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Old 08-01-2002, 09:32 AM   #25
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Yo Chad,

Well, the sound is still much the same, in fact that is what I was trying to sort yesterday when I was getting stressed and asked the question about the "F" word.

I couldn't find the kernel sources bit you mentioned because I obviously didn't read your post thoroughly i.e. spot the "disc 2" bit.

There is one of the blokes from work who has got a home network set up (I blame him for the stress of getting me interested in linux in the first place as it was him that gave me a copy of his Suse 8.0 which was my first go at linux) anyway, when I couldn't sus out my adsl link, he came over to help me sort it (as it happens, I got it sorted just before he arrived).

I explained to him (Dave) that for some reason my installation has identified 2 cdrom's instead of a cdrom/cdrw combo drive and a dvd drive. He set it up so the dvd is set up and has an icon. So whenever I try and use the update/rpm install software, it tells me that i need to use disc whatever and opens the dvd drawer. I won't of course read the disc and just keeps opening the drawer until I quit.

When I just put the disc in and try to install the kernel bits or the alsa drivers again or bastile/iptables to try and sort out some form of firewall for the linux install, all I get is some stuff about packages giving errors - a big frustration because those are the discs that I downloaded/burned etc and did my install from (and still appear to be in good condition).

I am starting to wonder whether I should reinstall over the top to return to the various default settings I am confident that I can do that without any snags and also reconfigure my adsl connection though I would have to get help to sus the e-mail config and setting the system to use one of the mirror's for updates and bugfixes etc (knowing my luck I'll probably just about get it set up in time for the 9.0 release and end up back at square one!).

What would you do next?

Regards

John

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Old 08-04-2002, 01:52 AM   #26
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Well, the DVD and Burner issue isn't as bad as you may think. I am thinking that you are "reading too much into it" when reading device names. I used to be concerned because I thought it wasn't recognizing my burner correctly, when in actuality it was. /dev/cdrom and /dev/cdrom1 are symlinks to the correct devices, such as /dev/hdc and /dev/scd0 or something like that. Or possible /dev/dvd is a symlink to /dev/hdc or /dev/hdb depending on how many hard drives and placement of the burner and DVD drive and such. Do not worry too much about wording, and just make sure it works right. Here is a sort of "monkey see monkey do" bolding. Anything in ( ) means don't type it, just read it and do what it says. Here:

First put in your disc into your drive (this how to assumes you have 2 hard drives, and 2 cdrom type drives, your DVD is your first cdrom drive, and your burner is your second)

mount /mnt/cdrom
cd /mnt/cdrom
ls
cd RPMS
rpm -ivh kernel-source-2.4.18-6mdk.i586.rpm
ldconfig
updatedb
rm /usr/src/linux
ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-6mdk /usr/src/linux
smile

I believe that should cover it. Now for configuring your devices for links on your desktop...

vi /etc/fstab (look at where it has your devices mounted, it's probably got them listed as supermount, so it's listed as this:
/mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount.... blah blah, if so, don't worry about this step, if it's something like:
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 defaults 0 0, then look at the "/dev/cdrom" portion and remember that)
Esc :q! (this exits vi without saving any changes)
right click on your desktop, Add, new device
Type 'DVD'
click on the last tab, locate your device in the dropdown menu, something like /dev/cdrom should be listed.
Choose a cool icon by clickin on the generic "gear" icon, and then the drop down menu to devices. Choose icons for both mounted and unmounted.

Now do the same for your burner. It's probably going to be listed as /dev/cdrom1 you can either use that or /dev/scd0, your choice. But from now on when you need to access the disc (and want to do it through GUI) you should be able to do it by simply clicking on those icons. Since they are probably listed in your fstab already though, and have mount points /mnt/cdrom and /mnt/cdrom1 already, to get them mounted (if supermount isn't working) all you have to do in command line is: 'mount /mnt/cdrom' or 'mount /mnt/cdrom1' and they will mount in their respective directories.

Hope you can get that installed now.

And we should publish this novel BTW, this is one of the longest thread I have read (word count length) that is actually still helping.

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**** **** **** aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhh

Chad,

In reply to your reply of the 3rd reply to my initial reply (thats the post post???)

I have actually found the kernel sources rpm on disc 2 as you advised but I still cant get beyond finding it! I can view the content of the disc when I put it in the drive known as cdrom2 (a combo cdrom/cdrw) but it then starts to tell me stuff about placing disc 2 (already in cdrom2) into the /dev/cdrom (which is actually the dvd drive) it seems to start flashing that its doing a "read" but then comes up as errors/problems and stops doing thing.

So, I'm going to do the re-install that I mentioned in an earlier post and see what happens. I'm confident that I can get as far as reinstalling the microcode for my adsl modem to I can surf under linux. And as far as I understand, it should in theory overwrite it all with the various defaults!

It just means yet another stressed trying to sus out the config for my e-mail under linux - I understand that while k-mail is supposed to be easy to configure, it's still not "easy" enough for me.

You should remember that I have now attained the status of recently converted windows drone, which I feel is at least one step up from total nugget!

I will post to let you know how far I get.

cheers for the help thus far

Regards

John

p.s. because of the limited availability of "sea drafts" to your branch, any sea time should do!!! - then at least you can "pull up a bollard" and spin a few "sea dit's"(sea stories - mainly of the when we were in a force 8, rounding Cape Horn and I was tucking into my 4th portion of slimey eggs and bacon variety) or look down you nose at colleagues and give them some "come and see me when you've got some sea time under your belt"" attitude when they are trying to get on your case.
 
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The problem you are getting there is that your program is trying to access the /dev/cdrom when you have the disc in the /dev/cdrom2 device. These are just symlinks (symbolic links) to the actual block devices (something like /dev/hdc is a real block device). Put the disc into the other CDROM/DVDROM drive, and browse at it that way. That, or if your default drive is your CDRW/CDROM drive, you can change the symlinks to fit. If that's what you want, try this:

rm /dev/cdrom
YES
rm /dev/cdrom2
YES
ln -s /dev/hdc (assuming you have 2 hard drives) /dev/cdrom2
ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom OR
ln -s /dev/hdd /dev/cdrom (probably the first one)

That will make your program think that your DVD is your second CDROM drive and your CDRW is your first.

I think, anyone correct me if I am wrong, and Bigjohn, you may want to post how many hard drives you have and how you have your drives set up (which is slave and such).

...
If I do stay in, I will be getting some "sea time" in a hospital overseas, right now I am looking into a hospital in Spain. Not too sure though. Every once in a while I do want to actually go to a ship to get some sea time, but it just doesn't seem to agree much with my family time/life.

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Yo chad,

Just read your last, I ended up trying the re-install to get back to the default as if I hadn't done anything else.

Under the default, It still seems to want the dvd drive to be the one called "cdrom" and the cdrom/cdrw combo drive as cdrom2". So after I've been out ( and if I can keep awake) i will give your idea a try and report back with what happened. And I am running a dual boot window$ XP/mandrake 8.2 on a single hard drive, 40 gig in size. Partitioned manually, xp at about 21.8 gig + 2.43 gig of window$ recovery aand the linux partition is 4.30 gig - there are a couple of un-identified bits not seen by anything but I seem to recall that happened during my messing about to get enough room to get the linux installed in the first place(though I'm not fussed about the odd bits as the space I've got is more room than I have ever previously had inside a drive - is this important???)

The going out bit is a bit more important as I have had my first "fish funeral" today, we keep some fish of varying types but they are cold water (as opposed to tropical i.e. no heater), I'm pretty conscientious about the water quality and the only thing that I have no control over is temperature. The weather has been quite warm (not always sunny but average daytime temp at about 23 degrees C - about the 75 F mark is quite warm here) anyhow the oxygen content drops with the increased temp and the only thing that I can conclude is lack of the old O2. So hence the emergency purchase of another air pump to run an "air stone" and aerate the "oggin" (aka the sea/water as different from "goffa" which are waves or cold drinks).

Will post back when I've sorted the fish and tried your suggestions.

many thanks matey

regards

John

P.s. your next test is to find out why something can be described as being "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey" - i'll get you talking "slanguage yet"!!!
 
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still struggling!!!

Right Chad,

With the emergency pump now installed in the fish tank (bubbling away just nicely) I have just tried the ideas that you have given me.

Firstly, I went for the kernel sources. Now when I reinstalled the mandy 8.2 I just told it to install everything, which I know is not the best plan in the world but??. I tried to rpm the kernel sources in and it told me where to go, except it told me why. It now appears that I have the kernel sources package already installed.

So, I have created the "symlink" (I had to do this as root) that you suggested with the

ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-6mdk /usr/src/linux

though I do not follow what that will do.

I seem to have the alsa driver installed, though what I do with it next to get it to do something

i have then tried the suggestion you gave me about changing how the system see's the 2 cdroms? as previously mentioned, one drive is a cdrom/cdrw combo and the other is a dvd drive (but seems to read cdroms - I didn't know that they could do that!)

On trying the rm /dev/cdrom i confirmed with y and it seemed to go ok, when I tried to do the same with "cdrom2" it just told me that there was no cdrom2 file or directory. So I just used your symlink suggestion ofln -s /dev/hda7 /dev/cdrom .

I have then checked that both drives are still reading from disc's and they seem too be. Though they are still "the wrong way round" with the dvd drive labelled as cdrom and the cdrom/cdrw drive labelled as cdrom2.

Any idea's ???


As for time at an oversea's hospital qualifying as sea time, go for it. Lets face it you get that out of the way and you get to take the family with you.

Spain? well, I have been both on ships, and for a "mini" holiday as my sister lives in Madrid (don't ask me what a "British Telecom" paper pusher is doing in Madrid but there you are!). Madrid is a very cultural city though isn't big with the British because there's no beach and we are too lazy to learn spanish. Though there is quite a lot to see/do (if you get to spain, whatever you think of it you should at least experience the "Corrida's" - i.e. a bullfight).

I should think that the base in spain that you are thinking of is at ROTA (it's the only big US base in spain that I can recall off the top of my head!) I believe that's in southern spain, so sunshine for wife (or children?) shouldn't be a problem there. I also recall that it's not too far from the coast, though you would then come across a fair few Brit's (mainly drunk) as the "costa's" are quite big with us. There is also the relatively short flying time to all of the major western european capitals. some have to be seen to be believed!

Paris, amazing. Parisians, famously rude. Berlin, don't know, never been. Amsterdam, also amazing. Dutch people excellent, most speak english and are very laid back (i have a second cousin who lives just outside "den Haag" - the Hague).

Just a thought, one of the blokes I deliver milk too (in Maidstone, Kent) is a former Master Chief (Meteorology). His last tour away before retiring from the USN was on Diego Garcia. And his view of the island is very favourable (don't recall what he said about families there though). And although it's a "british indian ocean terrortary" the US forces outnumber the UK forces there by about 10/15 to 1. May that's worth a thought!

Right, got to go and cook some dinner or Clare will cut me bits off after a days work and shopping (not sure why she doesn't think my 0130 to 1100 shift isn't a days work though?

regards and still thoroughly confused

John
 
  


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