Secondary Primary does not show up.

SolarisZen · 12-29-2007, 06:40 PM

I have been researching disaster and recovery strategies and a poster offered me advice to which I thought was invaluable. You can find the reference below:

link

So I proceeded to follow out the posters plans.

I bought a second HD and installed it on a secondary IDE bus that was available. Since this is the only drive on the bus I configured the HD to be primary or a Master. Its a Western Digital so I removed the jumpers accordingly. However said HD does not show up in the BIOS at all.

It should show up as Secondary primary drive = WD(serial number.)

Everything in BIOS is set to AUTO

The BIOS is an American Megatrends. The DEL button enters setup.

jay73 · 12-29-2007, 07:01 PM

Are you sure that it's connected to the right cable connector? What if you use CS (cable select) instead of Master? Is the cable properly plugged in on both ends? Did you by any chance forget to connect the power cable?

syg00 · 12-29-2007, 07:13 PM

Agreed - IMHO these days it always makes sense to use the "80 ribbon" cable and cable select.
Saves all these sort of issues.

jailbait · 12-29-2007, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SolarisZen

I bought a second HD and installed it on a secondary IDE bus that was available. Since this is the only drive on the bus I configured the HD to be primary or a Master. Its a Western Digital so I removed the jumpers accordingly. However said HD does not show up in the BIOS at all.

Is the secondary IDE on the motherboard or on a PCI card?

Could you post the output from this command:

lspci

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Steve Stites

SolarisZen · 12-30-2007, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay73

Are you sure that it's connected to the right cable connector? What if you use CS (cable select) instead of Master? Is the cable properly plugged in on both ends? Did you by any chance forget to connect the power cable?

Its connected correctly. I got one of those new IDE cables that actually have the lables on them, they're so much nicer than the old ones

, and the power cable is plugged in.

My apologies for not mentioning this info in my original post.

SolarisZen · 12-30-2007, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syg00

Agreed - IMHO these days it always makes sense to use the "80 ribbon" cable and cable select.
Saves all these sort of issues.

Cable select eh? I have never used such option. I think I will give it a try and see what happens.

SolarisZen · 12-30-2007, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jailbait

Is the secondary IDE on the motherboard or on a PCI card?

Could you post the output from this command:

lspci

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Steve Stites

its on the motherboard.

output for lspci

Code:

[root@liquidvibration3 lib]# /sbin/lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 915G/P/GV/GL/PL/910GL Processor to I/O Controller (rev 04)
00:02.0 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04)
00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 03)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev d3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FR (ICH6/ICH6R) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
01:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c325 [ViRGE] (rev 0

jailbait · 12-30-2007, 12:25 PM

lspci reports the controller as SATA. Are both of the hard drives also SATA?

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Steve Stites

SolarisZen · 12-30-2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jailbait

lspci reports the controller as SATA. Are both of the hard drives also SATA?

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Steve Stites

I believe so but I have hooked them up on an IDE cable. Does that make a difference?

jay73 · 12-30-2007, 06:03 PM

Quote:

I believe so but I have hooked them up on an IDE cable.

If they really were SATA, you wouldn't have been able to connect them to a PATA cable. SATA has a completely different interface. So clearly you have PATA drives, not SATA. I guess lspci shows SATA only because Linux started treating PATA and SATA in much the same way some time ago.

As suggested, try Cable Select. Cable Select automatically deals with the Master vs Slave thing so you can never get it wrong.

Have you checked your BIOS whether all the settings are correct? I know you selected "Auto" but maybe you should try explicitly setting IDE instead.

If that doesn't work, try swapping out your functional drive and replace it with the new one. If it still doesn't get detected, it may simply be a bad drive.

SolarisZen · 12-30-2007, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay73

If they really were SATA, you wouldn't have been able to connect them to a PATA cable. SATA has a completely different interface. So clearly you have PATA drives, not SATA. I guess lspci shows SATA only because Linux started treating PATA and SATA in much the same way some time ago.

As suggested, try Cable Select. Cable Select automatically deals with the Master vs Slave thing so you can never get it wrong.

Have you checked your BIOS whether all the settings are correct? I know you selected "Auto" but maybe you should try explicitly setting IDE instead.

If that doesn't work, try swapping out your functional drive and replace it with the new one. If it still doesn't get detected, it may simply be a bad drive.

Ah I see. Yea, I think i'll try cable select. I didn't know that about SATA. Great info though.

I'll update you all as how things went.

SolarisZen · 12-31-2007, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SolarisZen

Ah I see. Yea, I think i'll try cable select. I didn't know that about SATA. Great info though.

I'll update you all as how things went.

Well it did work, but not as planned. When I set up the Western Digital to cs it did show up, however it immediately set the primary HD and CD to third primary and slave making the system unable to boot. I tried readjusting this in bios only said bios refused to identify the HD properly. I dunno, these things can be quite weird.

Any who, I figure the best course of action now is to buy an external HD/USB casing and try that way instead. It would make less down time if I just dd to the external usb/hd. No need to fiddle with cables etc.

But I would like to thank people on here for helping me out. As always your help in this matter has been invaluable to me and the reason why Linux is just so great!

Thanks again