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ggerri 03-26-2011 07:56 AM

Quadro FX570 - HDMI not listed as output device (therefore no sound :-( )
 
Hi there,

I have a HP 8510w which I attached to a sony tv via hdmi. picture is great but no sound. checked and in sound preferences, hdmi is not listed as a possible output device for sound. searched the net but couldnt find a solution. here some info:

Code:

root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# uname -a

Linux gre-HP8510w 2.6.35-28-generic #49-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 1 14:39:03 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux

root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# aplay -l

**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# dpkg -l | grep "alsa"
ii  alsa-base                            1.0.23+dfsg-1ubuntu4                              ALSA driver configuration files
ii  alsa-utils                            1.0.23-2ubuntu3.4                                Utilities for configuring and using ALSA
ii  bluez-alsa                            4.69-0ubuntu2                                    Bluetooth audio support
ii  gstreamer0.10-alsa                    0.10.30-2                                        GStreamer plugin for ALSA

root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# head -n 1 /proc/asound/card*/codec#*
==> /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 <==
Codec: Analog Devices AD1981

==> /proc/asound/card0/codec#1 <==
Codec: Conexant ID 2c06
root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre#


root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
                      HDA Intel at 0xe8044000 irq 46

root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# cat /proc/asound/devices
  2:        : timer
  3:        : sequencer
  4: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
  5: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
  6: [ 0- 1]: hardware dependent
  7: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent
  8: [ 0]  : control

root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# uname -a
Linux gre-HP8510w 2.6.35-28-generic #49-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 1 14:39:03 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre#

xorg:
...
Section "Device"
        Identifier    "Device0"
        VendorName    "NVIDIA Corporation"
        BoardName      "Quadro FX 570M"
        Driver        "nvidia"
        Option        "NoLogo"        "True"
EndSection
...

root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# lspci | grep -i audio
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)


00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)

$ grep 284b /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap

00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# grep 284b /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
snd-hda-intel        0x00008086 0x0000284b 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0

root@gre-HP8510w:/home/gre# modinfo snd-hda-intel| egrep 'description|filename|depends'
filename:      /lib/modules/2.6.35-28-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
description:    Intel HDA driver
depends:        snd-pcm,snd,snd-page-alloc,snd-hda-codec

Any help would be great :-)

Thanks a lot
G

TobiSGD 03-26-2011 08:24 AM

The Quadro FX 570 is based on the older G84 chip. That means, it has no dedicated soundchip on the card, but a connector on top of it that has to be wired to a S/PDIF-connector on your motherboard. Otherwise you will get no sound over HDMI.

ggerri 03-27-2011 08:07 AM

Thanks a lot Tobi for your explenation :-) the designer of this notebook @ HP must have smoked some bad stuff... Who wants sound with his HDMI anyway ;-) take care G

bill_k_lopez 10-03-2011 11:17 PM

If this card doesn't support audio out over hdmi - then why does it work without a hitch in XP? I've been banging my head trying to get this to work under Ubuntu - threw 32bit XP on and it works like a charm - guess the "its your old card that doesn't work" isn't really the answer.

TobiSGD 10-03-2011 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_k_lopez (Post 4489326)
If this card doesn't support audio out over hdmi

Where did you get that from? Has anyone in this thread has said that?

bill_k_lopez 10-04-2011 01:11 AM

I own both an 8510W and an 8530W both have the nvidia quadro fx 570m card. Both laptops produce audio using the hdmi port with windows xp
. Neither produce audio through the hdmi port with ubuntu linux.

If audio works over the hdmi port wiith xp installed then its not a matter of the card not functioning.

I don't need to read it here im a forum, I have the hardware and im telling you the fx570m has an inboard audio card.

business_kid 10-04-2011 03:16 AM

I have a hdmi setup, and have some clue here because I had arguments with it in the past. In my case it wanted to take over.

in /etc/modprobe.d, what are your options for sound? I have this
[CODE]alias snd-card-0 snd-ac07-bus
alias sound-slot-0 snd-ac97-bus
alias sound-slot-1 snd-hda-intel
alias snd-card-1 snd-hda-intel
options snd-hda-intel model=ati]/CODE]

Not perfect, but the ac97 works, which is all I care about atm.

/dev/dsp should be a summing point (like /dev/mouse) for /dev/dsp0, dsp1, etc. Too often it's a symlink to dsp0. Have you checked the modules blacklist?

cascade9 10-04-2011 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 4489459)
[CODE]alias snd-card-0 snd-ac07-bus
alias sound-slot-0 snd-ac97-bus
alias sound-slot-1 snd-hda-intel
alias snd-card-1 snd-hda-intel
options snd-hda-intel model=ati]/CODE]

Not perfect, but the ac97 works, which is all I care about atm.

You've got intel HDA but your prepared to live with AC-97? Uggh. Well, its your ears.....:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 4304088)
The Quadro FX 570 is based on the older G84 chip. That means, it has no dedicated soundchip on the card, but a connector on top of it that has to be wired to a S/PDIF-connector on your motherboard. Otherwise you will get no sound over HDMI.

G84M, which isnt quite the same as the G84. But thats not quite right anyway, the 8600GTS (G84-P400) had HDMI support from release, other G84 chip based video cards got HDMI later. Finding a link that doesnt 404 backing up that statement could be a rght pain, I'm not going to try it unless TobiSGD or somebody else really wants me to. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_k_lopez (Post 4489377)
I own both an 8510W and an 8530W both have the nvidia quadro fx 570m card. Both laptops produce audio using the hdmi port with windows xp
. Neither produce audio through the hdmi port with ubuntu linux.

If audio works over the hdmi port wiith xp installed then its not a matter of the card not functioning.

I don't need to read it here im a forum, I have the hardware and im telling you the fx570m has an inboard audio card.

Actually, the FX570M doesnt have an audio 'card', or even 'chip'.....it does have a controller, but that wont actually make sounds itself like a real sound card/sound chip.

Quote:

#33
04-12-08, 07:55 AM
seiska
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1

I sent this message to NVIDIA Customer Care at 11.4.2008:
I have Quadro FX 570 card on HP Compaq 8510w. I run linux/kubuntu 7.10. Everything works like charm, except I cannot pass audio through HDMI connection. Is this driver issue, or how should I solve this problem? I really need that audio, as I made final purchase decision based on HDMI connection on this laptop.

And got following reply next day:
Yes this is a driver issue. We recently implemented support for audio through HDMI and it is expected to ship in the release 177 driver when available. I suggest you periodically check our web site for driver updates to version 177.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=97993&page=3

Either nVidia never got the drivers working, or there is some error in your setup, or your being caught by some HDCP/DRM issue.

TobiSGD 10-04-2011 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cascade9 (Post 4489512)
G84M, which isnt quite the same as the G84. But thats not quite right anyway, the 8600GTS (G84-P400) had HDMI support from release, other G84 chip based video cards got HDMI later. Finding a link that doesnt 404 backing up that statement could be a rght pain, I'm not going to try it unless TobiSGD or somebody else really wants me to. ;)

You are right the 8600GTS and later cards do support HDMI. But different than the ATI cards from that era they have no inbuilt soundchip. They had to get the sound for the HDMI output from an S/PDIF output of the motherboard/soundcard. Otherwise they simply don't have sound over HDMI. The first cards with inbuilt soundchip, where this connection wasn't needed anymore were the G210/GT2x0 (not GTS250 and GTX2xx), which were based on the later G200 chips. I doubt that this is very different on the laptop segment.
But anyways, I would really like to know if this is a driver issue and how to get it working.

bill_k_lopez 10-04-2011 10:50 PM

Sorry - you are correct that the 570/570M series do NOT HAVE AN ONBOARD AUDIO CHIP. My late night frustration.

However, you can get sound out of the HDMI port. Update the ASLA drivers to the latest version for your Kernel and you can then pipe audio from the onbaord audio card via S/PDIF (already hard wired in a laptop).


Linux xbmc 2.6.38-11-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 12 21:18:14 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa
sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)

reboot

aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

You now have the option of selecting the Digital Stereo Duplex(IEC958) from the Sound Preferences - once you do that you now get sound through HDMI cable.

business_kid 10-05-2011 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cascade9 (Post 4489512)
You've got intel HDA but your prepared to live with AC-97? Uggh. Well, its your ears.....:D

This might sound strange, but I don't actually _want_ sound. It's one of those things that is set up because it is there, and I make the occasional skype call or watch a video. But I don't have music going in the background - ever. I just prefer quiet. How do you hook up headphones (I've no speakers) to a hdmi port anyhow?

cascade9 10-05-2011 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 4489810)
You are right the 8600GTS and later cards do support HDMI. But different than the ATI cards from that era they have no inbuilt soundchip. They had to get the sound for the HDMI output from an S/PDIF output of the motherboard/soundcard. Otherwise they simply don't have sound over HDMI.

True....well, sort of anyway. IIRC there are DVI + 3.5mm audio > HDMI adapters that could take analog audio from 3.5mm jacks. That could play hell with HDCP though, I've never tired it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 4489810)
The first cards with inbuilt soundchip, where this connection wasn't needed anymore were the G210/GT2x0 (not GTS250 and GTX2xx), which were based on the later G200 chips. I doubt that this is very different on the laptop segment.

Not with the GT230/GTS240 either. #$@&^*%&$ nVidia with its badge engineering cards all the time....

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 4489810)
I doubt that this is very different on the laptop segment.

Not that different, but the SPDIF more likely to actually be hooked up in laptops than desktops in my experience.

Quote:

Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 4490319)
This might sound strange, but I don't actually _want_ sound. It's one of those things that is set up because it is there, and I make the occasional skype call or watch a video. But I don't have music going in the background - ever. I just prefer quiet. How do you hook up headphones (I've no speakers) to a hdmi port anyhow?

Well, you sort of do want sound for skype/video. :D If ity was me, I'df still spend some time trying to get hda-intel going, but I do tend to have music playing fairly often when I'm working/surfing on my machine. Different strokes ;)

I've never heard of HDMI headphones, and I'd doubt they exist (no, I havent searched). HDMI is normally digital, which you can get around, and also encrypted...which is a PITA.


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