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Richard Molton 06-28-2009 01:34 PM
New Seagate 1TB USB ext HDD stiffs Linux boot sequence but older 230MB ditto is fine
 
This machine is WinXP/Debian Lenny dual boot. My older Seagate ext HDD has a Linux partition and an NTFS one, and works fine under Linux.

I just bought a new 1 TB Seagate Free Agent ext USB drive to use solely as a store for photos. First I ran WinXP and let the new disk auto-install itself. Then I connected the older ext HDD and copied a couple of photo folders totalling 28GB from the NTFS partition of the old ext HDD to the new one. No problem at all.

I then restarted the machine in Linux and it didn't even get as far as grub. Switching off, removing the power to the new hdd and trying again got things running with the old ext HDD still attached. Plugging in the power for the new disc gives an error message 'cannot mount volume - invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Free Agent Drive''

I've almost certainly done something stupid but can't think what. Any help appreciated.

irishbitte 06-28-2009 03:27 PM
Ok, try running the following commands:
Code:
cd ~
lshal >before
Plug your USB device in, and wait 5 seconds or so
Code:
lshal >after
diff before after >newdevice.txt
rm -f before after
You should find a file called newdevice.txt in your home directory, please post the contents here, and we can take a look! ;)

irishbitte 06-28-2009 03:31 PM
This thread may be relevant to your situation: http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic=48804

Richard Molton 06-28-2009 04:31 PM
There's a lot of it!


2c2
< Dumping 94 device(s) from the Global Device List:
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> Dumping 101 device(s) from the Global Device List:
520a521,711
> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ'
> info.linux.driver = 'usb' (string)
> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_0000_00_03_3' (string)
> info.product = 'FreeAgent' (string)
> info.subsystem = 'usb_device' (string)
> info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ' (string)
> info.vendor = 'Seagate RSS LLC' (string)
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> linux.hotplug_type = 2 (0x2) (int)
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> usb_device.is_self_powered = true (bool)
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> usb_device.num_interfaces = 1 (0x1) (int)
> usb_device.num_ports = 0 (0x0) (int)
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> usb_device.product_id = 12289 (0x3001) (int)
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> usb_device.vendor = 'Seagate RSS LLC' (string)
> usb_device.vendor_id = 3010 (0xbc2) (int)
> usb_device.version = 2.0 (2) (double)
>
> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_usbraw'
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> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ' (string)
> info.product = 'USB Raw Device Access' (string)
> info.subsystem = 'usb_device' (string)
> info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_usbraw' (string)
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> usbraw.device = '/dev/bus/usb/004/008' (string)
>
> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0'
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> info.product = 'USB Mass Storage Interface' (string)
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> info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0' (string)
> linux.hotplug_type = 2 (0x2) (int)
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> usb.interface.subclass = 6 (0x6) (int)
> usb.is_self_powered = true (bool)
> usb.linux.device_number = 8 (0x8) (int)
> usb.linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.3/usb4/4-2/4-2:1.0' (string)
> usb.max_power = 0 (0x0) (int)
> usb.num_configurations = 1 (0x1) (int)
> usb.num_interfaces = 1 (0x1) (int)
> usb.num_ports = 0 (0x0) (int)
> usb.product = 'USB Mass Storage Interface' (string)
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> usb.serial = '2GEVZMFJ' (string)
> usb.speed = 480.0 (480) (double)
> usb.vendor = 'Seagate RSS LLC' (string)
> usb.vendor_id = 3010 (0xbc2) (int)
> usb.version = 2.0 (2) (double)
>
> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0_scsi_host'
> info.capabilities = {'scsi_host'} (string list)
> info.category = 'scsi_host' (string)
> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0' (string)
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> info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0_scsi_host' (string)
> linux.hotplug_type = 2 (0x2) (int)
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> scsi_host.host = 5 (0x5) (int)
>
> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0'
> info.linux.driver = 'sd' (string)
> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0_scsi_host' (string)
> info.product = 'SCSI Device' (string)
> info.subsystem = 'scsi' (string)
> info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0' (string)
> linux.hotplug_type = 2 (0x2) (int)
> linux.subsystem = 'scsi' (string)
> linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.3/usb4/4-2/4-2:1.0/host5/target5:0:0/5:0:0:0' (string)
> scsi.bus = 0 (0x0) (int)
> scsi.host = 5 (0x5) (int)
> scsi.lun = 0 (0x0) (int)
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> scsi.target = 0 (0x0) (int)
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> scsi.vendor = 'Seagate' (string)
>
> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_Seagate_FreeAgent_2GEVZMFJ_0_0'
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> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_bc2_3001_2GEVZMFJ_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0' (string)
> info.product = 'FreeAgent' (string)
> info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_Seagate_FreeAgent_2GEVZMFJ_0_0' (string)
> info.vendor = 'Seagate' (string)
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>
> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_D4B4F760B4F74410'
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> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_Seagate_FreeAgent_2GEVZMFJ_0_0' (string)
> info.product = 'FreeAgent Drive' (string)
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> linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/block/sdb/sdb1' (string)
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> org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.method_names = {'Mount', 'Unmount', 'Eject'} (string list)
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> storage.model = '' (string)
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> volume.ignore = false (bool)
> volume.is_disc = false (bool)
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> volume.is_partition = true (bool)
> volume.label = 'FreeAgent Drive' (string)
> volume.linux.is_device_mapper = false (bool)
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> volume.partition.uuid = '' (string)
> volume.size = 1000202241024 (0xe8e0b30400) (uint64)
> volume.unmount.valid_options = {'lazy'} (string list)
> volume.uuid = 'D4B4F760B4F74410' (string)
>
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< Dumped 94 device(s) from the Global Device List.
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> Dumped 101 device(s) from the Global Device List.

Richard Molton 06-28-2009 04:41 PM
And here is the output from the three commands mentioned in the link you suggested:

antje@firefly:~$ id
uid=1000(antje) gid=1000(antje) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),110(netdev),115(powerdev),10 00(antje)


antje@firefly:~$ mount
/dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
/dev/sda1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=1000)
/dev/sda2 on /media/disk-1 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)


antje@firefly:~$ ls -l /media
total 28
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2009-06-23 02:21 cdrom -> cdrom0
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-06-23 02:21 cdrom0
drwxr-xr-x 17 antje root 16384 1970-01-01 01:00 disk
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2006-12-13 19:45 disk-1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2009-06-23 02:21 floppy -> floppy0
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-06-23 02:21 floppy0
antje@firefly:~$

I hope it tells you more than it tells me.

irishbitte 06-28-2009 08:34 PM
Ok, looks like a disk is being recognised as /dev/sdb, can you try doing the following?
Code:
sudo mkdir /media/new-ext-hdd
sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/new-ext-hdd
cd /media/new-ext-hdd
ls
and post what you find?

Richard Molton 06-29-2009 05:17 AM
Unfortunately it gives no output, but here are the last lines from terminal window:



firefly:/home/antje# sudo mkdir /media/new-ext-hdd
firefly:/home/antje# sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/new-ext-hdd

mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g'
firefly:/home/antje#
firefly:/home/antje# cd /media/new-ext-hdd
firefly:/media/new-ext-hdd# ls
firefly:/media/new-ext-hdd#


Incidentally, attempting to start the computer with the new hdd attached crashes the kernel.

irishbitte 06-29-2009 12:03 PM
Hmm, I'm afraid this is the type of thing I'd like to be looking at rather than trying to imagine!

Richard Molton 06-29-2009 03:32 PM
FWIW, booting up with the new drive fails and crashes the kernel whether the old ext hdd is present or not.

After starting up without the new drive and then plugging it in, the freeagent drive appears to be present in the GUI's 'Computer' window although it refuses to mount. Checking the properties it comes up as Freeagent Drive, type desktop configuration file, size unknown, location computer:/// , Mime type application/x-desktop

Does this help at all?

Richard Molton 06-29-2009 04:09 PM
Some more info: just in case there might be a fault in the new drive, I plugged it (and also the older drive) into MY computer (the one I have been referring to so far is the property of SWMBO). Mine is also dual boot Debian lenny/winxp (Pro, hers is home) and it worked straight away. The problem now is, do I keep the new big drive for myself or keep trying to make it work on her box?

Incidentally, on my machine the new drive is described as: Freeagent Drive, 931.5 GB,media=hard disk, UUID=D4B4F760B4F74410, fs= ntfs-3g(3.1), mount point /media/FreeAgent Drive, filesystem=fuseblk, mount options rw nosuid nodev user_id=0 group_id=0 allow_other blksize=4096

irishbitte 06-29-2009 04:29 PM
You could create an /etc/fstab entry using the info you've just posted? That would bypass the HAL thing.

Richard Molton 06-29-2009 06:36 PM
I'm not so sure that I know precisely what to include. Good job you left a question mark in your reply! In any case, I don't know if it is appropriate to use /etc/fstab (which I thought was for hard-wired devices like the fixed hdd in the computer) when trying to mount an unpluggable thing like an ext-usb-hdd

On my computer, with both ext-hdds up and running, /etc/fstab makes no reference to any devices other than the various partitions on the fixed hdd, or the CDrom.

If fstab is the thing to do, then what needs to be added?

PS with the new ext-hdd plugged in at boot time, the box in question never even gets as far as grub so I don't think it will read anything in /etc/fstab


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