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rhbegin 10-28-2007 10:09 PM

Microsoft Confort Optial Mouse 3000 USB
 
I recently purchased a new MS Optical Mouse 3000 USB (with cord), because the scroll wheel is smooth and the ergonomics are nice.

However, I am having some problems with the mouse pointer being frozen on the screen because it stops responding. I am running Fedora Core 7 and I had the same problem under Fedora Core 6.

Has anyone else had this particular problem, also how can you restart the mouse like from /etc/init.d for example without having to log out of X or shutdown the machine.

Otherwise I guess I will have to swap out mice with a generic one that has the bumpy wheel that I do not like. If I can find out how to restart the mouse from the command line I can most likely find the problematic area I hope.


Thanks

Bruce Hill 10-29-2007 02:09 AM

Perhaps not quite relevant, but maybe a start. In Slackware we use the GPM mouse server:
Code:

mingdao@wired_silas:/usr/share/sounds$ ps aux | grep gpm
root      3249  0.0  0.0  1880  468 ?        Ss  Oct25  0:05 /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/mouse -t imps2
mingdao  3615  0.0  0.0  2004  636 pts/6    R+  14:07  0:00 grep gpm

See if you have that listed in your distro. And we would restart it from here:
Code:

mingdao@wired_silas:/usr/share/sounds$ ls -lh /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm
Maybe it's listed under /etc/init.d ?

rhbegin 10-29-2007 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Hill (Post 2940513)
Perhaps not quite relevant, but maybe a start. In Slackware we use the GPM mouse server:
Code:

mingdao@wired_silas:/usr/share/sounds$ ps aux | grep gpm
root      3249  0.0  0.0  1880  468 ?        Ss  Oct25  0:05 /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/mouse -t imps2
mingdao  3615  0.0  0.0  2004  636 pts/6    R+  14:07  0:00 grep gpm

See if you have that listed in your distro. And we would restart it from here:
Code:

mingdao@wired_silas:/usr/share/sounds$ ls -lh /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm
Maybe it's listed under /etc/init.d ?


Thanks a million I will try it out, I still do not understand why it freezes like that though?

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/oe...s.aspx?pid=041

It is a basic mouse but somehow the USB init.d process must be dieing off or hanging???

Bruce Hill 10-29-2007 08:27 AM

Can't help much because our distros are so different, but perhaps if you check our Linux HCL (Hardware Compatibility List) and see if someone's posted it there. You might also use the <Linux> Google Search, which will give you Google hits for Linux related issues only. And download the Technical Data Sheet for that mouse.

Another thing that might help with your issue is to look at kernel messages. Two things you can do ...

One is to open a terminal and as root issue "tail -f /var/log/messages" and leave that open until after the mouse stops responding, and read those messages. When the mouse freezes, you should at least be able to get to your terminal by using the keyboard and issuing "Alt+Tab" to get to the terminal screen. Hold down the Alt and press and release the Tab to go through the choices. Then you can read what happened.

Second is to read the files under /var/log/, particularly the syslog entries. You can issue and read "man syslog" to learn more about this.

Your mouse issues can probably be fixed, even if it requires some custom configuration (for which you'll need that Technical Data Sheet); maybe even compiling a new kernel. First thing, IMO, is to find out what the kernel messages were when it froze.

rhbegin 10-29-2007 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Hill (Post 2940805)
Can't help much because our distros are so different, but perhaps if you check our Linux HCL (Hardware Compatibility List) and see if someone's posted it there. You might also use the <Linux> Google Search, which will give you Google hits for Linux related issues only. And download the Technical Data Sheet for that mouse.

Another thing that might help with your issue is to look at kernel messages. Two things you can do ...

One is to open a terminal and as root issue "tail -f /var/log/messages" and leave that open until after the mouse stops responding, and read those messages. When the mouse freezes, you should at least be able to get to your terminal by using the keyboard and issuing "Alt+Tab" to get to the terminal screen. Hold down the Alt and press and release the Tab to go through the choices. Then you can read what happened.

Second is to read the files under /var/log/, particularly the syslog entries. You can issue and read "man syslog" to learn more about this.

Your mouse issues can probably be fixed, even if it requires some custom configuration (for which you'll need that Technical Data Sheet); maybe even compiling a new kernel. First thing, IMO, is to find out what the kernel messages were when it froze.

Thanks for the help, I will investigate the logs for some errors, worst case scenario maybe I can find another mouse without the detents on the wheel. In my opinion MS has the best computer mice after trying other brands. I think the more generic stuff is the better off you are I wish they made a mouse like that one (generic).

Bruce Hill 10-29-2007 10:25 PM

Something else to consider ... Microsoft doesn't make anything. That mouse is made by someone else. Basically all the Microsoft hardware is OEM, with their label. You might check Logitech. They're head and shoulders above everyone else in the mouse field, and probably have made that product already.

If you find that mouse of yours made by Logitech, or someone else, you can also search for that model and maybe get more information. I'd like to see what "tail -f /var/log/messages" displays after the mouse freezes.

rhbegin 10-30-2007 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Hill (Post 2941676)
Something else to consider ... Microsoft doesn't make anything. That mouse is made by someone else. Basically all the Microsoft hardware is OEM, with their label. You might check Logitech. They're head and shoulders above everyone else in the mouse field, and probably have made that product already.

If you find that mouse of yours made by Logitech, or someone else, you can also search for that model and maybe get more information. I'd like to see what "tail -f /var/log/messages" displays after the mouse freezes.

What is the better brand of computer keyboard like USB without all of the extra multi-media buttons all over the place.

It seems that no one produces a basic keyboard anymore.

Bruce Hill 10-30-2007 07:51 PM

Just my opinions ...
 
In recent computer builds I've been supplying a Logitech Cordless Desktop EX90 (doesn't seem to be available in the USA). It has a Cordless Internet Pro Keyboard, and Cordless Optical Mouse. The kbd only has 7 multimedia keys across the top, which don't get in your way, and I ignore. Some people like these and set them up, but I've never attempted such an operation.

I have a 1995 IBM model M keyboard, which is a really nice basic kbd. However, these might be the cause of that carpel tunnel syndrome thing. When I first started using it, my wrists and fingers hurt so much after two days that I had to take some time off. I would only recommend this kbd to old-timer *nix programmers. These guys, for the most part, don't actually "type" -- rather, they "peck" their way along a kbd. If your typing consists of pecking with your index fingers, and maybe a thumb every now and then, it's worth the investment to get one of these IMO.

Mine has a problem with the Page Up and/or Page Down keys sticking, which is unacceptable for my use. To repair this kbd is about as complicated as rebuilding an engine of a car.

Because I do a lot of writing, that Model M keyboard tortured my fingers and wrists. It's made for those people who like everything esoteric, and are masochists of the first order. Still, for nostalgic reasons (got my first IBM PC in 1984), if I can find the parts here, perhaps I'll repair it.

It's very sad, IMO, to see gaming dominating the PC industry. You'll find that graphic cards, CPUs, memory, as well as kbd and mouse features, are all pushing the gamers happy little escapism to greater levels. Perhaps those kiddies are the ones buying the "latest and greatest" computers these days. I still prefer a good AMD barton core CPU for my needs to anything dual-core that's hit the market.

rhbegin 10-30-2007 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Hill (Post 2942825)
In recent computer builds I've been supplying a Logitech Cordless Desktop EX90 (doesn't seem to be available in the USA). It has a Cordless Internet Pro Keyboard, and Cordless Optical Mouse. The kbd only has 7 multimedia keys across the top, which don't get in your way, and I ignore. Some people like these and set them up, but I've never attempted such an operation.

I have a 1995 IBM model M keyboard, which is a really nice basic kbd. However, these might be the cause of that carpel tunnel syndrome thing. When I first started using it, my wrists and fingers hurt so much after two days that I had to take some time off. I would only recommend this kbd to old-timer *nix programmers. These guys, for the most part, don't actually "type" -- rather, they "peck" their way along a kbd. If your typing consists of pecking with your index fingers, and maybe a thumb every now and then, it's worth the investment to get one of these IMO.

Mine has a problem with the Page Up and/or Page Down keys sticking, which is unacceptable for my use. To repair this kbd is about as complicated as rebuilding an engine of a car.

Because I do a lot of writing, that Model M keyboard tortured my fingers and wrists. It's made for those people who like everything esoteric, and are masochists of the first order. Still, for nostalgic reasons (got my first IBM PC in 1984), if I can find the parts here, perhaps I'll repair it.

It's very sad, IMO, to see gaming dominating the PC industry. You'll find that graphic cards, CPUs, memory, as well as kbd and mouse features, are all pushing the gamers happy little escapism to greater levels. Perhaps those kiddies are the ones buying the "latest and greatest" computers these days. I still prefer a good AMD barton core CPU for my needs to anything dual-core that's hit the market.


I have two of the keyboards one on the back says 1984 model and the other says Lexmark (same as IBM). I got them from work about 8 years ago. They are mechanical keyboards just like the ones in the pics.

Actually they are Made in USA, now everything says 'Made in CHINA'...

Bruce Hill 10-30-2007 10:58 PM

Lexmark did indeed make some of those keyboards for IBM. Do you, or have you, used them? What is your experience?

Checkout our Linux HCL for Logitech I/O Devices. Perhaps you'll find something there.

"Made in China" is not a joke ... and outside China you get products that must meet certain quality control standards. We don't in country. The US is now suffering the consequences of buying poor quality foreign made products just because they cost less.


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