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Old 12-06-2012, 06:33 AM   #1
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Linux & Windows 8. Should windows 8 go?


I have this Samsung 350V with windows 8. My first impressions are horrible: no task bar, no start menu, all the menu/menu/menu/menu/action stuff from vista, and impossible to find anything. The disk is also crazy. From Gparted:
sda1 ntfs. Windows RE Tools 500Meg hidden, diag
sda2 fat32 system.......... 300Meg boot
sda3 unknown................128Meg msftres
sda4 ntfs. .................673Gig
sda5 ntfs. Samsung Rec2......22Gig hidden, diag
sda6 fat32 Samsung Rec........1Gig hidden, diag

I shrunk sda4 in passing. I normally leave windows, just in case, but I would be tempted to delete windows 8 as I already have vista on another box and windows 8 is so awful. I've seen m$ shoot themselves in the foot before(e.g. vista). I haven't seen them shoot themselves in the pillocks before. Does that qualify them for a Darwin Award? :-).

But if I'm thinking ahead 5 years --> 2018, will I be getting files that need a 'secure boot' system to open them? Will Linux do the job then?

One last question: If I leave windows 8, where do I land grub? sda2?
 
Old 12-06-2012, 07:05 AM   #2
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Land grub in the MBR of sda.

Sec.boot, linux does it today.
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20303.html
It is always very hard to predict future, will Microsoft be around in 2018? Probably, but that is even more probable regarding Linux since MS is just one single entity.
 
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:23 AM   #3
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Land grub in the MBR of sda.

Sec.boot, linux does it today.
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20303.html
It is always very hard to predict future, will Microsoft be around in 2018? Probably, but that is even more probable regarding Linux since MS is just one single entity.
Thanks.
I had seen that secure boot, but I don't want that option now unless I'm driven there. Slackware 14 isn't set up that way atm. By the next release, I presume most distributions will have a secure boot, and I can revert to distro secure boot, which will be less pain.

And I'm hardly likely to need windows 8 before all distros become secure bootable.
 
Old 12-06-2012, 11:33 AM   #4
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Found this on the Slackware Site.
set_up_grub_as_boot_loader_on_uefi_based_hardware

That's what I need.
 
Old 12-06-2012, 07:15 PM   #5
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... but I don't want that option now unless I'm driven there. ...
Same here. The secure boot was never really about security, it was just yet another trick in the game of monopoly. The largest security step most people can do is to just throw out closed source software from their computers, not the other way around as the Sec.boot really was about.
 
Old 12-07-2012, 06:38 AM   #6
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If you don't want Secure Boot just disable it. Another member reported that it works nonetheless.
And no, Grub doesn't belong into the MBR on EFI/GPT systems, you need the EFI version of Grub.
 
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:19 AM   #7
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I'm disabling it atm. Grub2 is a NIGHTMARE. The problem is there is gigabytes of crud explaining obtuse aspects, info about info about info you don't want and nothing giving the simple usage 99% of us want. I have

sda1 - Some basic data partition - apparently not the boot partition
sda2 - EFI system - apparently the boot stuff goes here.
sda4 - Windows Drive C
...
sda7 - A linux boot partition I threw in
sda8 - Installed linux root partition.

The stupid thing finds nothing itself. I found this spot in /etc/grub.d/40_custom where I can stick menu entries. Can someone give me the lowdown on these? show me a working one?
 
Old 12-07-2012, 10:23 AM   #8
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I found this spot in /etc/grub.d/40_custom where I can stick menu entries. Can someone give me the lowdown on these? show me a working one?
If you have an entry in grub.cfg just copy it to the 40_custom file in /etc/grub.d. My experience is that if I manually entered a new menuentry in grub.cfg and subsequently run update-grub, any entry that was not in 40_custom was then removed from grub.cfg. There are slight variations in different Grub versions so yours may not look exactly like the sample below from Ubuntu 11.10:

Code:
#!/bin/sh
exec tail -n +3 $0
# This file provides an easy way to add custom menu entries.  Simply type the
# menu entries you want to add after this comment.  Be careful not to change
# the 'exec tail' line above.

        menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 3.0.0-26-generic' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
	recordfail
	set gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_mode
	insmod gzio
	insmod part_msdos
	insmod ext2
	set root='(hd0,msdos5)'
	search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 47891df9-aa27-4df9-99ac-aa96276780ac
	linux	/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-26-generic root=UUID=47891df9-aa27-4df9-99ac-aa96276780ac ro   quiet splash vt.handoff=7
	initrd	/boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-26-generic
}
 
Old 12-07-2012, 10:46 AM   #9
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To your question
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Should windows 8 go?
Yes! A new OS from M$ is always a problem. Take Clonezilla and make a backup of the Win 8 partitions. But the backup onto an external drive, put the drive far away. And once when M$ has the first servicepack available for Win 8 and other people are satisfied with it, you can reinstall it. But for now install Linux.

Markus
 
Old 12-07-2012, 12:08 PM   #10
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I'm ready to let windows 8 go at this stage. I'm ready to sign myself in.

I've tried compiling grub2 twice, and installing SuSE's rpm (good thing I made packages) and every time it ended up looking for silly things. I made grub2 with --enable-efiemu, but the box I made it on didn't have uefi, so it didn't build the stuff.

I tried Slackware's document with the usb disk, and got as far as the line

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grub2-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader=grub --recheck --debug
and it barfs with "Source dir doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory."

I tried installing grub2. That went down in flames too.
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grub-install /dev/sda
/usr/sbin/grub2-bios-setup: warning: This GPT partition label contains no BIOS Root Partition.
/usr/sbin/grub2-bios-setup: warning: Embedding is not possible. Grub can only be installed using blocklists (DANGER warning)
/usr/sbin/grub2-bios-setup: error: Will not proceed with blocklists.
Nobody seems to have solved much with these yet. Running any of the grub2 executables seems to produce an error or a middle finger. ]

BTW, & FWIW my bsce-laden son heard I had windows 8, and told me I'd be in his thoughts & prayers - and he's an atheist! :-)

If I NUKE it(and I'm likely to), how do I avoid making a mess for myself down the road, when everything is UEFI?
 
Old 12-09-2012, 04:11 AM   #11
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I can answer this with authority now myself. In every case, windows 8 should always go.

I tried watching a tv show from the local player under windows with my wife under windows. OK, this is windows, so I booted IE(you may laugh here) and went to the site
1. It complained about the flash player version (I had 11.373, latest was 11.376) How did the site know that? It runs on 10.x under linux.
2. I tried to download it, but that went somewhere and stopped. It never completed or installed.
3. I approached again and the flash "worked". Picked one movie and got another piece of crap, although the title showed it as the program I chose.
4. Decided that was crap, and picked another to watch. The same piece of crap showed up again, although the title now showed my new choice.

It thinks it's on a mobile phone screen - that's the behaviour. On a 1600x900 17.3" screen, that's more than a little ridiculous. I'm told it's the 'loser old man' version of windows - the guy who wants to look modern to impress his kids, so he buys an iPad.

I'll figure out how to get rid of it and boot, and post again.
 
  


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