Hi,
So you have no idea as to the circuit and you are experimenting with a device that has no isolation. I personally would not perform any actions with a unknown device that could cause harm. As others have pointed out you are not really destroying anything other than bacteria and not virus. Some therapy has been done using Lasers light at different frequencies but the problem is determining the necessary frequency for a particular virus. Even then you could cause issues with neighbor cells.

I am not a physician or performing any form of medical science but a user of circuit theory & design as pertaining to instrumentation. I do know the issue or design of proper isolation techniques when any animate subject is used (be it human or other animals used in science) utilizing forms of electronics circuits.

Subjugating anyone with sonic or subsonic vibrations can cause harm to the test subject and to anyone else in close proximity to the subject. Anechoic chambers should be used if high frequency acoustic sounds or electromagnetic waves are in play that could do harm to others within the subject area. We enhanced our LAB anechoic chamber with a Faraday cage shield to contain any electromagnetic waves within the LAB chamber. Even here you need to follow good safety practices.

Introducing anyone with a current can lead to potential harm if not done properly. Defibrillator implant devices are a good example of a properly designed device that can be used for the good of a patient. These implanted trigger devices have saved many a live by a properly designed device to excite or manage a patients heart. One caveat is that this same device can be triggered remotely by RFI from anyone using a Stun gun nearby.

Hope this helps You!

Isolation from what? The 9 V battery? Aren't you reading anything? This is just switching the 9 volts on and off, that's all there is to it.

You sure they're paying you to build instrumentation? Cause it's beginning to look like you just talk about instrumentation for a living, as a salesman or something.

And sonic vibrations? You forgot to mention sea waves too.

Hi,
I was giving you some different examples. How is this black box isolated from the input signal? You are saying the blackbox utilizes a 9Vdc source but how is the input signal being applied? Is the box a signal generator in itself? I thought you stated earlier a signal was to be generated from a sound card. That is why I would like to see a schematic of the circuits relative to the source and output.

No, I am not a salesperson but I do create different forms of instrumentation. I was presenting the signal as a sound source and what could be done to isolate or contain. Yes, there are differences between a sonic and sub or super that too can cause harm, just another sample of potential harm from even sound source. EMI can be another troublesome source for potential harm. That's why I showed the defibrillator and interference from a RFI from a Stun gun. You must be aware of potentials from different sources that could cause issues.

I think that I am wasting my time trying to help you with examples or pointed insight to harm.

I have no further interest in continuing with someone so closed minded as you. You mention open mindedness but fail to even regard that others can have the same mode of thought and wishing to share by helping when something harmful can happen.

I think I am done trying to help you to understand how one should look at designs so no harm will be done. Everything that involves a human when designing a instrument should entail one to know or find out any potential harm or issues that could be bad or poor design principles.

Enough said!

I have been following this thread without comment, but have a couple to make now.

First comment is that the safety concerns are real, and especially the source isolation - anything that has a path to a power source capable of doing harm to living things must be well understood and isolated.

I think it is a little unfair to say that you don't believe there is any sincerity to the expressed safety concerns.

The second comment is that the desired precision of frequency seems almost absurd among the other wildly uncontrolled variables of the experiment, or operating environment. You have almost no knowledge or control at all of a multitude of parameters that would hugely affect the nature of the energy delivery to some microbe at some unspecified location within the human body connected to the device. That overall lack of precision makes the desire for near absolute precision of frequency control seem suspect.

It would seem to almost pre-position an excuse for those who see a lack of results... "Well, if you could just control that frequency to a higher precision, I am sure it would work!".

I have never posed as a medical advisor, and neither has anyone else, beyond pointing out the flaws, and the fraud.
So? I have seen bacteria killed by a volt. Happens just as fast real time. A bit more current and the cells just explode.

If you wanted a decent test (or at least slightly better), have a mixed environment of different bacteria, then show that only ONE type is killed...

Electric current is not selective.

The fraud is yours. I

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Hi,

Thanks for the video link. I really do not see how one could selectively kill one type with a signal at a known frequency for current through the cell via conduction of each or one to the other. There must be linkage path for the cells to be destroyed via current.

Maybe with a laser at a particular frequency but the targeting would be the issue and not destroying good neighbor cells. If a particular cell can be destroyed by a fixed or harmonic frequency then it could be possible but I am not sure about it.

I have seen some images with cancer being targeted via radiation but that was done with mapping the area of concern then controlling the radiation level within that area. One researcher was attempting to use a laser but the challenge was the targeting using active movement with monitoring and controlling the intensity within the target area.

A sucker is born everyday and everywhere! So snake oil can be sold to the uninformed and illiterate or persons that are seeking miracles that the seller will surely provide for their desires.

It's been interesting reading the follies!

Actually I do have a lot more details, but no motivation for posting them amidst this flood of pretentiousness:

Even in the obvious context of a little box with electrodes and a 9 V battery, bloody obviously a signal generator, this is ignored and I get BS about isolation from "the source".

Anyway, fyi killing all individuals of a species is not required. Just enough that the immune system handles the rest. This is one reason amplitude need not be a precise value, it is limited by what is comfortable.

Hi,

Our discussions originally were about using a sound card to produce the desired signals. I never referenced a signal generator as you are now talking about.

That's why I asked about the blackbox you were implying about. I thought you had introduced a device between the sound output and that it did not have the proper isolation.

So if I made a mistake in our communication, it was due to the change in discussion. I was still thinking we were discussing the sound card within a system to generate the signal.

My bad if I misunderstood your changes in discussion. Looking at the links in before mentioned posts show the rife as a independent device. My bad for not understanding your device. If a schematic or even a block diagram to show the devices in use would have clearly been understood.

I still stand by my points for isolation techniques whenever a electrical/electronic device is connected to a test subject.

My bad for not realizing your changes in discussion of your device. I know I asked for schematics before but I did not pick up on your points about a separate device and of course a battery power source for personal protection would still require proper techniques.

Enough said!

The linkage is through the solution that the cells exist - It is not an insulator. Water, even distilled water, has a high resistance, but it will still conduct. Water provides the solution, the ions in suspension carry the current; positive ions go one way, the negative ions go the other, and this is what pulls molecules apart.

Electricity is not selective about what gets pulled apart, some organic molecules are stronger than others. This lack of selectivity is also why a 9v multimeter is capable of killing a person - the current did the killing likely by causing his heart to go into fibrillation, and no longer pumping blood. A such a battery is nominally safe - but using the battery in an unsafe manner it is not.

It is not BS. A 9 volt battery can kill when it is misused.