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Old 03-24-2005, 11:58 AM   #16
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i'm going for a amd +3200 or a +3500 i don't know for sure but one of those 2. I like nforce chipsets very much they are easy and they don't crash also if i put in 1024 mb DDR 400 pc3200 with ecc and a maxtor 80 gig with my asus deluxe mobo and one of my procs would it be a good pc? I want a pc that is stable and save and can be used for 3 years min. i must get me 1024 mb of ram because my pc runs a lot of progs at the same time. also is it wise to spend 250 euros on a flatscreen when i have a studioworks 44i(goldstar) here at home(i think it hasn't got 3d acceleration. i also want to get me a good video card what do you say about a radeon 9600?

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Old 03-24-2005, 03:37 PM   #17
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FWIW the only info I can find online is that ECC is slower than nonECC and will only be useful if your mobo supports it, as it's a feature of the mobo chipset and memory controller, but that gets complicated when the Athlon64 has an integrated memory controller... probably better off just getting PC3200+ RAM instead or research it all loads first.

Seems Seagate are better driver makers, but all the 80gigs seem to be about the same price so personally I'd first make sure the retailer you buy it from qualifies for you recieving a 2 or 3 year warranty (some dont and it seems to be one of the limits to the warranties).

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Old 03-24-2005, 04:26 PM   #18
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ECC is slightly slower, but unless you encounter a LOT of errors you're unlikely to incure any perceptible decrease in performance. In the world of 3D rendering every percentage point helps as it can shave days off of a rendering job, however even then you probably want ECC because if you do encounter a bad bit oh, say, thirteen days into a rendering job without ECC, you'd better hope you rendered the job in chunks so you don't have to throw the whole thing away and start over - in which case what you'd have gained in shaving hours off of the rendering job cost you 13 days.


If you're after bleeding-edge performance, go Opteron or dual Xeon, but in both cases be prepared to pony up some serious coin.
In your case? I take it you'll be doing mostly gaming, surfing, and the occasional paper - in that case, go ECC or don't - whichever is cheaper. If you find the odd case where ECC is cheaper, go for it. Seriously. The performance difference is so small that it's nothing worth worrying about. You'd notice it on a benchmark and you might get 342 fps in Doom rather than 345, but are you so concerned about that difference?
 
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Again Seagate and Maxtor are slow because they use more processor usage than other hard drive manufactures. I recommend Western Digital or IBM/Hitachi hard drives. If the drive goes within a year, you are still screw. An RMA hard drive will not retrieve the data. The manufacture gives you a replacable hard drive which you have to put the data back on it. Hopefully you backed up the data. Hard drives are getting cheaper and the amount of data that they can store is increasing. Most of the time you will spend is on the hard drive, so buying a hard drive that has the least CPU usage is better. A Western Digital Raptor hard drive will really speed up your computer a lot which did very well on file server tests. File server tests are about the same results that you will get in a desktop world.

No, you do not need a dual Opteron system to use ECC. A single 940 socket motherboard can be used.

An AMD Athlon 3500+ gives good performance vs price if you are comparing to Intel's latest Pentium 4 processors.

I do not know how much is 250 euros. A good LCD monitor costs around $400 to $600. An LCD monitor will eat most of your budget.
 
Old 03-25-2005, 03:01 PM   #20
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250 euros is i think 200-230 dollars because the euro is more worth 1 EURO= 1,2..... dollar so it is really cheap. ok i'll go for the westren digital raptor and the 3500+ how fast does it goe is it 2,4 ghz? i'm having a lot of crashes right now on my pc so i better go for the ecc ram it looks fine to me and besides i would rather have a bit slower but powerfuller and stabler pc than a fast intel that crashes all the time. i'm currently using intel celleron 1,7 ghz and i don't like it.
 
Old 03-26-2005, 12:25 PM   #21
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250 euros is i think 200-230 dollars because the euro is more worth 1 EURO= 1,2..... dollar so it is really cheap. ok i'll go for the westren digital raptor and the 3500+ how fast does it goe is it 2,4 ghz? i'm having a lot of crashes right now on my pc so i better go for the ecc ram it looks fine to me and besides i would rather have a bit slower but powerfuller and stabler pc than a fast intel that crashes all the time. i'm currently using intel celleron 1,7 ghz and i don't like it.
You've got it the other way around. 1 Euro is worth about 1.3 USD. So 250*1.3 is 325USD (> 200-230). Either way, it's not really that expensive, but still enough to make an influence....
 
  


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