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Old 12-21-2008, 08:40 PM   #1
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Fedora 8 installation fail due to ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format


I have burned a Fedora 8 installation DVD. When I boot from the CD/DVD, I could choose "install"
and proceed somewhere about checking the integrity of the DVD, which I have checked to be okay. After the "blue screen of
death " appeared (well, there is something at the top and bottom "panel"), so I cannot proceed with the installation.

Alt-Ctl F3 or F4 has this:

<4> ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format
<4> VFS: can't find an ext2 file system on dev loop 0.


I believe the main problem is that it is trying to read a DVD by assuming that it is a CD-ROM.

I have tested the DVD on another machine and the installer behaved okay, so the DVD is fine.
 
Old 12-21-2008, 10:45 PM   #2
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I have tested the DVD on another machine and the installer behaved okay, so the DVD is fine.
So it is the drive or the bios.
 
Old 12-21-2008, 11:20 PM   #3
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Any cure if I or someone run into this kind of situation again ? Should I just forget about installing Fedora 8 on that machine ? You see, Fedora 8 may work perfectly on this machine if I could "solve" this problem. I would very much like to stick to one distro (I use Redhat 7.3/9.0 on an old computer for many years without the need to upgrade my linux knowlege) before I use another (simply because another new distro will give other surprises that I come to think normal users have been victimized by too many choices) unless I cannot do anything about it.
Thanks!
 
Old 12-22-2008, 12:30 AM   #4
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note:
* fedora 10 is not "another new distro" - it is still fedora.
* you must at least upgrade the kernel and software which is in contact with the internet - to avoid exploits.
* keeping up with distro releases is easier than hand-maintaining a distro - where you become increasingly out of step with the state of the art... you'll find things instructions on the web will become more irrelevant as time passes. There are also fewer surprises - have you tried to install mp3 playback to redhat7.3/9.0?

to stay with fedora 8 - I would suggest mplayer as the path of least resistance. Installing mplayer will also install all the libraries and codecs you need, as well as ffmpeg. Compile it yourself. There are instructions in www.mjmwired.net ... be warned, last I heard, mplayer was no longer maintained. But it still works.

Another method is to install the ffmpeg2theora utility instead. This will convert media files from restricted formats to open formats, which fedora will play natively, usually better, without DRM.

Note - if the media format contains a lot of DRM, nothing (no unauthorised player) will play it.

Seriously - fedora 10 - then the solutions you want are just a yum away.
 
Old 12-22-2008, 01:57 AM   #5
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This is not about playing DVD. This is about installing Fedora 8 from installation DVD. Guess my DVD mplayer missed the attention Fedora developers.
But Fedora 8 is one-year old and my computer is also one-year old.
 
Old 12-23-2008, 10:10 PM   #6
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weird.
If I use "irqpoll", I failed.
if I use "text irqpoll" I failed.

If I used "linux text irqpoll" then
"Running anaconda 11.3.0.50, the Fedora system installer, please wait" starts and it seems the installer

works (after waiting for some time) (haven't installed anything using text mode, so
I quit)

Why adding "linux" in this case make a difference ??

I suspect if I use "linux irqpoll" might just work. There are just
too many combinations to try... There seems to a ghost inside the
computer, sometimes the behaviour is different..
 
Old 12-23-2008, 10:13 PM   #7
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"linux irqpoll" does NOT work either.

Somehow Fedora 8 gave me the same trouble I have seen about a year ago when I tried to put Fedora 8 on the same machine.

Thought I have learned some linux and I could solve this weird problem.

Total crap!!
 
Old 12-23-2008, 11:49 PM   #8
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I was able to install F8 from the iso on a harddisk. Why would the conventional way of installing F8 from the DVD fail ? Seems like Linux is only for the experts..
 
Old 12-24-2008, 01:16 AM   #9
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some dvd drives and dvd's do not mix well .Might be just a bad combo . or the diode( in the drive) is getting very old and just is not able to read , without errors, a os install dvd .

might have been just a "bad" burn from a old burner ?
 
Old 12-24-2008, 01:45 AM   #10
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When I tried to install Linux on a powerpc, all three DVDs I burned had problems. The dvd drive was just bad. I burned a net install CD image and installed from the net successfully.
 
Old 12-24-2008, 03:18 AM   #11
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For me, this is one of the most bizzare things that I have seen in my linux encounters. The DVD seems okay. Today I just burned another brand new one to make sure that it is not due the first burned DVD, which by the way passed the "Test" of the installer (took a little while though).

To some of you, my thread seems silly. But the repercussion of Fedora 8 install failure forced me to stick to CentOS 5.1 for a while, which failed to give me 1280x800 resolution due to intel GM 965 (X3100 ?).
Since I have used RH7.3/9.0 on anothe laptop for about 4 years, I find that the switch to
32-bit OpenSUSE 10.3 hard, and worse it is that I hit internet "Temporary failure in name resolution" very frequently, plus one time tar -cvf that gave me a smaller file than it should be (a really really scary experience), which destroy my confidence on opensuse, at least
32-bit opensuse 10.3.

Since then I battled with graphic problem with CentOS 5.1, learned to compile libdrm that fix the 1280x800 in mid 2008, but then CentOS 5.2 came out a few days later which resolve the 1280x800 issue. Since then I have been very happy and satisfied with
CentOS5.2. Since I am more at ease with handling partition table and multiboot that's the reason I have a chance to revisit a few unresolved issues.

Anyone has any idea why I am so unlucky with Fedora 8 DVD installation ?

I did a quick check on the Fedora 8 installed using ISO, the resolution
is 1280x800 !!! Had I been able to install F8 on my machine early this year, I would
not need to seek out all these CentOS 5.1, CentOS 5.2, Fedora 9 (NINE) on this machine (Oh yeah, DVD installation of Fedora 9 on this particular Fujitsu A6030 Lifebook was a piece of cake) that I hate and love at times !
 
Old 12-25-2008, 02:45 AM   #12
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I'm not clear on this - did you manage to install another distro to the troublesome machine off a DVD?

In general:

Different distros will have different installers with different default configurations.
If one installer is fine with a DVD drive, for eg, and another isn't, then it is likely that the drive needs a driver or other configuration which one installer has and not the other. It's as simple as that.

It is not possible to produce a distro which is an easy install to everything, so the developers have some guesswork to do. (MS doesn't even try making Windows install easily to most things or support the hardware in them - the vendors do that bit for them. My last attempt to install XP required me to remaster the install disk to include third-party drivers... something I have never had to do with gnu/linux.)

Is linux for experts? Well, "Linux" itself is definitely for experts and those who enjoy a technical challenge - non-technical folk should not have to do anything at the kernel level. Even at the OS-level, one should not really be installing ones own OS, something you have noticed can require some understanding beyond that needed to just use the thing. Unfortunately our influence has not made gnu/linux pre-installs a (prominent) standard option from vendors... yet. You have to hunt for the option - lenovo, dell, some others... and then your choice of distro is a tad limited (usually SLED or Ubuntu, though I've seen Xandros and the odd Redhat hybrid.)

As a rule of thumb - if it's a mainstream distro, it will work OK with machines roughly 6-8 months older than the release. I've found this particularly with fedora, but all distros will suffer from this to some extent. When new HW comes out, it takes a while to reverse engineer, or otherwise acquire, drivers for it. As more HW manufacturers release more specs to open source, this problem decreases.

Since you were trying to install a distro the same age as the computer, some HW trouble is not exactly unexpected. Remember - the original advice was to just use a more recent distro. From what you've posted, this is what you ended up doing. It is also a good idea to stick with a distro you are familiar with - also what you did.

So... overall, you did well. Congrats, and sorry for my confusion earlier - I think I was mixing two threads in my head.
 
Old 12-25-2008, 08:00 AM   #13
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I'm not clear on this - did you manage to install another distro to the troublesome machine off a DVD?
Yes. I remember I put in CentOS 4.5(64-bit), CentOS5.1(64-bit and 32-bit), CentOS 5.2(64-bit), Opensuse 10.3 (64bit and 32-bit), plus one time with Ubuntu (64bit) and of course Fedora 9(64bit). All are installed using DVDs. Lately I learned to boot up Fedora 10 LiveCD off the hard drive and as I have said, install Fedora 8 from ISO on the same hard drive. So that's why I got a bit obsessed with the failed Fedora 8 DVD installation that keep me wondering most of the time.

From what I gathered, the installer must have been confused by the signals/interrupts from the hard drivers, particularly the DVD-ROM reader, and that explains various obervations made in "linux text", "linux irqpoll", "linux text irqpoll", "linux selinux=0" and all that.. I think it is pointless to find out the exact source, but since Fedora 9 has overcome that piece of Fujitsu hardware, I think the linux community will not be interested to find the exact cure, since mine is one isolated case and exercise is purely academic. The problem that I face is that Fedora 8 and my computer are of the same age.

One thing that I must admit is that: I bought this Fujitsu just off the shelf without knowing the evils that come with it (at that time, the hardware issues that I concerned were just much RAM I have, how much hard disk space, and how big the physical screen is). I guess I got lucky with RH7.3 on my very first laptop HP ze5375us that I thought all linux should just work like that. The next time I buy a laptop, I will definitely stick to the same hardware specs as much as possible.

IMHO, I think the hardware vendors don't bother with Linux developers because they are just too many Linux distros. If one linux distro leads the way, may be normal Linux users will not pay the price of searching high and low for solutions off the internet.
 
Old 12-26-2008, 10:46 PM   #14
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The problem that I face is that Fedora 8 and my computer are of the same age.
When I as very red-hat, my experience was that fedora was especially prone to this sort of thing. I understand the project has had a paradigm shift at f10, so this sort of trouble should fade.

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One thing that I must admit is that: I bought this Fujitsu just off the shelf without knowing the evils that come with it
I used to go around vendors with a live disk and tell them that I'd buy the machine which this could run. On software freedom day, I convinced a MS shop to install Ubuntu to a demo machine to run all day - the techs there decided to throw me a curve by putting all their "troublesome" components together in one box then did guppy impressions when it installed and ran everything without a hitch...

The advantage with GNU/Linux is that it gets better all the time.
The advantage to windows is that you can buy a "good enough" edition with your computer.

The standard approach for buying hardware for linux is to check out what is available in your price/feature-range, that you like, then google the thing with "linux" as a search term. Use that to narrow your choice, then go back.

Having done your research, you'll find that the salesbeing is unlikely to try anything shady.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 01:01 AM   #15
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Thanks Simon Bridge. It seems F8 works perfectly on my Fujitsu machine (did a quick check, the most important wish-list items such as wireless, compiz all work after simple setups!)
 
  


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