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Old 03-07-2009, 04:08 AM   #1
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component advice required: setting up a new linux machine (Fedora 10)


Hi all,
I am planning to set up a new machine. Mostly, I am using it to surfing the net, writing emails and do some work with openoffice. I also use it to rip music from CDs and put it on an ipod.

So, here are my selected components:

CPU 775 Pentium
IntelŪ PentiumŪ Dual-Core E5200
PentiumŪ Dual-Core E5200 (2x 2500 MHz)

Mainboard 775
Asus P5KPL-AM
P5KPL-AM (G31 Express)

CPU Cooler
Scythe Ninja 2 SCNJ-2000
Ninja 2 SCNJ-2000 (478, 754, 775, 939, 940, AM2, 1366)

Memory DDR2-800 (4 GB in sum)
2x Kingston HyperX DIMM 2 GB DDR2-800
DIMM 2 GB DDR2-800 (2048 MB)

Hard Disk 3,5 Inch SATA
Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 500 GB
HDP725050GLA360 500 GB (500 GB)

Any comment or advice is welcome. I am looking for a quiet system, by the way.

Regards,
Knut
 
Old 03-07-2009, 06:24 AM   #2
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It looks OK to me except for the integrated Intel graphics. You might consider picking up a standalone graphics card with an AMD or NVIDIA GPU. You can get quiet fanless versions at both ends of the performance spectrum.
 
Old 03-07-2009, 06:56 AM   #3
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Thanks for your reply. Why would you advise to use a standalone graphics card over the onboard version? I am not relying on high power graphics much.
 
Old 03-07-2009, 12:38 PM   #4
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You are welcome. In your situation, I would look at these:

1. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102819
2. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102816
3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161266
4. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125258

Some may be out of your price range, but they are all fanless and have had good reviews. They are all ATI cards, because in that price range, NVIDIA's GPUs (G84, G86, G92, and G94) have potential problems. Of course, with a fanless design, make sure your case has good air flow.
 
Old 03-08-2009, 05:42 AM   #5
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Thanks again for you reply.

I did have a look at your suggestions. Still, the question if I need this graphics power at all, remains undecided for me. I was told that the onboard graphics will be enough for my needs. So, why bother spending 60 bucks? Or will it be a lot faster? Then I might consider spending the money.

Another question which I was thinking about:
The overclocking of a slower CPU (cheaper!) in combination with an efficient cooling: is this as fast as buying a fast CPU (with a normal cooler) directly?

Best,
Knut
 
Old 03-08-2009, 05:49 AM   #6
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carverknut,
There is no point in spending extra on a separate graphics card for your requirements. An onboard graphics chip is fine.
I am just in the process of considering the rest of your post and I will reply shortly.
 
Old 03-08-2009, 07:14 AM   #7
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carverknut,
If you are looking for quiet and cool, then do make sure you start with a decent quality power supply. Try Seasonic or Antec etc. Do not go overboard on big numbers for PSU wattage. 380w or 430w should be more than enough for your purposes. Check here:
http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/
Following on from the above do make sure that you buy a decent case. Look at the Antec NSK4480 (may be too small) or NSK 6580 for starters. PSUs are included, by the way. Check the case is big enough for add-ons like coolers, especially Scythe (and sometimes graphics cards).
Standard OEM case fans are normally cheap and not so quiet. I suggest Akasa Ultra Quiet Amber or Noctua case fans as replacements.
If you are looking to overclock at a cheap price then this AMD CPU is the beast! It is designed to be overclocked but you can just leave it as standard for now. Just look at the customer feedback and price, but it will be going soon!
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Brisbane 2.8GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Black Edition Processor at $60.99 (soon to be discontinued)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103289

Your Asus (Intel) mobo is fine but personally I would recommend the better quality (see feedback) GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$52.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128357

For the AMD 5400 Black Edition you need something like this:
GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard $54.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128342

In my opinion Corsair is the best quality RAM at a good price, plus it has a lifetime guarantee.
CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $44.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145184

I cannot wade through any more of Newegg's catalogue for product references, links and prices.
The Scythe coolers are very efficient but very large! Do not forget to use ArcticSilver5 paste between heatsink and cpu. Hitachi are okay for HDDs. Also consider Samsung for HDDs (Spinpoint) and DVD/RW. Don't forget to use a cheap anti-static wrist strap when building your pc.
Good luck with whatever you decide to purchase and do come back and let us know how your new machine performs when you have built it.

beachboy2
 
Old 03-08-2009, 09:06 AM   #8
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Although better RAM and all of that is nice, the reality is that you want to see things displayed. Which performance are you most likely to notice--that one motherboard is 2% faster than another or that your screen redraws at half the speed? Today's LCDs are getting bigger and bigger, and even desktop applications are being displayed more and more slowly due to the increasingly high resolutions. Maybe you have a small monitor now, but that will change. If you ever plan to use graphics programs, video, or games the graphics card will affect you. Additionally, don't forget the drivers. Probably ten times, if not a hundred times, more work has been put into the drivers for ATI and NVIDIA-based video cards than any of the others--including within the open source community. If everything works OK for you with an Intel graphics card, fine. If not, where will you go if the driver has a performance problem or bug? Finally, consider system load. If some percentage of your system memory and processor speed is siphoned off for running graphics, you will have that much less for computing power. Incidentally, the same is true of a sound card. Onboard sound is fine today as well, and it naturally less demanding than video, but onboard sound also extracts a few percent performance penalty compared to a system sporting a separate sound card.

With regard to overclocking, remember that the components are designed to run at a certain speed, draw a certain amount of power, and so forth. You can push them past their limits, but you are then making compromises with the longevity of your system. After all, wouldn't the manufacturer like an advantage over the competition by running faster at no extra cost to them? Or just add a bigger cooler? There is a reason they do not do it.
 
Old 03-08-2009, 12:35 PM   #9
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Thanks again for your input. Very much appreciated.

Well, my current system is featuring:
AMD Athlon XP 2600 (1900 MHz),
2 GB RAM
120 GB Samsung HDD (SV1203N)
RV280 ATI Radeon (AGP)

So, I expect from the new system a huge gain in speed.

I am still undecided about the extra graphics card.

Best,
Knut
 
Old 03-08-2009, 07:05 PM   #10
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And stay away from using a ATI card with linux .There ( ati) nix support is not well at all
and support for the new xorg is speratic at best.
 
Old 03-09-2009, 07:40 AM   #11
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I agree, an add in Video card is overkill for your requirements.

The initial motherboard you had chosen, has a decent integrated Intel graphics chip on it, that supports 3D, and Open GL (neither of which your requirements indicate you have need of). and uses Open Source drivers that come with Linux.

Quote:
IntelŪ Graphics Media Accelerator 3100

3D enhancements enable greater flexibility and scalability and improved realism with support for Microsoft DirectX* 9.0c Shader Model 2.0, OpenGL* 1.4. IntelŪ Graphics also support the highest levels of the Windows Vista* Aero experience.

Max. resolution:2048x1536X32bpp, Horizontal:127.5KHz Vertical:85Hz
If you are not playing 3D games, or doing Graphics rendering the add in card is just an extra expense that you will never take advantage of.
 
Old 03-18-2009, 08:38 AM   #12
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Hi there,
the items arrived yesterday. It took me 2 hours to assemble everything. So, bottom line is:

the machine is very much faster than my old one - thanks for all the good information provided. I am very happy with it.

Regards, Knut
 
Old 03-18-2009, 11:35 AM   #13
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carverknut,

That is very rare to hear, somebody on LQ with no problems!!

You did things the right way round and asked BEFORE you bought.

I am glad you are happy with your new build.

beachboy2
 
Old 03-26-2009, 08:37 AM   #14
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To close this thread, first of all: thanks for the helpful input.

I am happy with the hardware I bought. Nevertheless, I had to do two upgrades: I inserted my old 3Com network card, because the onboard one had several freezes with Suse 11.1. The old one works (and worked in the old machine) perfectly.

The other thing I had to update was the graphics card: I could not get Google Earth running with the onboard chip. It showed many black squares instead of the map (I guess, the chip was simply too slow). So I bought a NVidia GE 8400 GS (30 bucks) - and now everything goes smooth.

Regards,
Knut
 
Old 03-26-2009, 10:40 AM   #15
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Yep google earth does require some horsepower.. Guess it's an app we overlooked when reviewing the specs.
 
  


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