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Old 05-16-2007, 02:44 AM   #1
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Can you recommend a 512mb video card


Ok, so im build myself a new machine, and i want to upgrade to a 512mb video card(mainly so i can say mine looks pretty than urs to my firends lol)
any way, can anyone recommend me one? not TOO expensive... and has to work with linux(alot of cards have drivers for linux, but if a card doesnt, it rules it out straight away)! I also dont mind if its vga or dvi, but dvi would be prefered!
thanks in advance

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Old 05-16-2007, 04:00 AM   #2
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Just let me point out that more RAM does not necessarily make for better graphics cards; most of the time, it's only a marketing scam. It's far more important to look at things like clock and ram speed, number of pipes, etc. Could you specify what is "not too expensive" in your opinion? The average user may place that at about 50$ but a gamer would think that 300$ is still pretty cheap.
 
Old 05-16-2007, 04:09 AM   #3
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i was thinking between au$100 and au$300, not the ultimate, but still able to run games and a nice looking gui with not to much troubles....
 
Old 05-16-2007, 04:33 AM   #4
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OK, that narrows it down. Any idea whether you really need 512 RAM? Would you rather have a faster card with only 256 or a slower one with 512? Unless you go for the most expensive cards, the benefits of more RAM are negligable (a few percents at best while they tend to cost at least 20 percent more).

For all intents, nvidea geforce has better Linux support. The best choice would be the 7900GS (about AU$200 if European prices are anything to go by): a good gamers' card and proper drivers. The 7600GT is somewhat cheaper and a decent card as well, but no match for the 7900; if you do prefer the 7600, go for a fast one (for example, those made by XFX). 7600GS will work well under Linux but the gaming performance is rather poor.
You may also want to have a look at the new 8000 series if you require DirectX10. The moderately priced cards, however, appear to be a bit of a disappointment (8500,8600). The 8600 is only marginally better than the 7600GT and generally does not warrant the additional cost - and it lags far behind its 8800 brothers. Bear in mind that most of the drivers for the 8000 series are still in a beta stage.

ATI has some excellent cards, too. The ATI 1900 has become really affordable and generally performs better than the nvidia 7900 series. Avoid the ATI 1600 if you want to play modern games at a comfortable resolution; the 1650 approaches 7600GT quality. The main thing to remember, however, is that ATI has traditionally had very poor Linux drivers. As a consequence, these cards miss several functions (AIGLX), run hotter and louder and don't run as nicely with OpenGL as nvidia cards. ATI has recently released its own DirectX10 line (the 2000 series) but it is too early to say how they compare to the latest nvidia cards.

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Old 05-16-2007, 06:36 AM   #5
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well thankyou for such a good reply! that has pointed me in the direction i wanted to be pointed to lol
'a good gamers' card and proper drivers.(around au$200)' is exactly what i was looking for, so i will have a good look at that. Also with the 8000 series, is dx10 worth spending the extra money? What is the validation for this? Is there some games that will only run on dx10 now? Because if not, i would prefer to not have to spend the extra cash on something i dont need as yet, and when i look for my next card(a year or 2) i will get it then.
Thanks again, Sam
EDIT: It doesnt need to be 512, i was just under the impression that 512 was better than 256 :S

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Old 05-16-2007, 09:04 PM   #6
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DirectX10 is not really needed at this time. It was introduced by windows Vista but afaik there are hardly any games available yet that support it. That may change next year but even then most games will still support DirectX9 (Vista itself, btw, is backwards compatible with it ). So if you're going to upgrade again in two years from now, it doesn't make much sense to pay more for a card from the 8000 series. And as I said, if you go for one of those that can at least keep up with the 7900, you'll find none are available under au$ 400-450, with the possible exception of the 8600GTS (about au$300).

And 512MB can be better than just 256 but only if you get an exceptionally fast card (like the most expensive 8800 cards). Most cards are simply not fast enough to process more than 256 at once.
 
Old 05-17-2007, 04:45 AM   #7
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Ok, just a quick relpy, I can get XFX GeFORCE GT 8500 for about au$150 of a friend, brand new...is it worth getting? i know its not the best, but it is definatly a good upgrade form my currnet card(which is almost dead)
thanks, Sam
 
Old 05-17-2007, 05:09 AM   #8
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Well, here is a review:

http://www.techpowerup.com/printrevi...eForce_8500_GT

Decent but not the thing to buy when you are more than a casual gamer; just look at how it compares to the 8600 or 7900GS. And I'm afraid that au$150 is still a lot of money - I'm quite sure I could order a brand new one for less than that. But as I said, I don't know what the prices are like in Australia.
 
Old 05-17-2007, 05:15 AM   #9
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Ok, well i decided against that! lol thanks for quick reply.
I dont think i will buy my card of ebay, but could you please look at this ASUS GeForce 7900GS and this nVIDIA Geforce 7900GS, and tell me which you would buy if you had that choice. Is there any difference?
Actually, do you think those sales look good enough to buy off ebay, i usually dont buy electronics off ebay as a rule, thats why i ask what you would do?
Cheers
 
Old 05-17-2007, 05:37 AM   #10
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I would go for the ASUS version; it's basically the same card but ASUS tends to put in some extras and their cards often consume less power than otherwise identical cards from other manufacturers. I also see HDTV is mentioned explicitly only for the ASUS card; afaik, the nvidia should support it as well but I'm not 100% sure.

The price looks right to me. I see the vendor who offers the ASUS card has a 100% satisfaction rating after more than 3600 sales - looks pretty reliable to me; but so does the other shop. Personally, I buy all my hardware on-line: it's nearly always faster and cheaper than going to the shop around the corner.

Edit: don't skimp on the power supply with a powerful card like that.

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Old 05-18-2007, 06:26 PM   #11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jay73
don't skimp on the power supply with a powerful card like that.
Ok what sort of power supply will i need? Like how w's?

Also is it worth getting 2x pci-e slots on my new motherboard? in case i might want to SLi/Crossfire...or isnt it worth the extra money for the motherboard and the 2nd card?
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Old 05-18-2007, 09:12 PM   #12
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I think 450W would be enough providing you buy a good brand (Antec, Seasonic, Enermax, ...). However, it depends on how much you are intending to build into your case. 450W would be enough to power a system like this one:
a Core 2 Duo
motherboard
3 SATA drives
ASUS 7900GS
a soundcard
a couple of fans
two optical drives + a floppy
2 to 4 sticks of RAM

The video card alone can consume up to about 50W.

If you would like to make your own calculation, go here:
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/p...ulatorlite.jsp

Btw, don't be fooled by the promises that cheaper models may hold out: they may offer more W for the money but as a rule they are so inefficient that a cheapish 600W will provide less than a quality 450W PSU (for several technical reasons, including output efficiency, 12V rails, etc etc). On top of that, quality PSUs run quieter and cooler. Not to mention that a bad PSU can turn your whole system into toast. Ouch.

If you want to build a SLI system (Crossfire is the ATI equivalent of nvidia SLI), you'll need added Wattage. Just use the calculator to figure out how much (should be another 50W). Is it worth it? That's for you to decide. SLI does add quite a bit of spice but chances are you'll be impressed enough running a single of those cards. I can only say that you need to plan ahead. If already you're condidering the idea, it may be worthile paying a little extra to get a SLI-capable board now; it's cheaper than buying another mobo in three months or so.
 
Old 05-21-2007, 07:21 AM   #13
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Ok thanks, I can see myself spending a far bit on a good PSU now, because i will almost need a 700w one.
I have made a new thread for help selecting my mobo and cpu HERE if you are interested in having a look.
Anyways, thanks heaps for all your help!
Sam
 
Old 05-23-2007, 05:54 AM   #14
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I ending up buy This
ASUS EN7900GS-2DHT off ebay for $150, is that good or not?
Thanks, Sam
P.S tell me if that works...
 
Old 05-23-2007, 01:20 PM   #15
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Great card and at such a sharp price, too. Enjoy!
 
  


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