I am new to linux and unfamiliar with how to use the command lines how can I get Linux mandriva KDE4 to recognize and run my Zen?

use your package manager to install libusb and libmtp. to browse it like a usb thumbdrive install mtpfs

Thanks for reply

I already had libusb & libmtp i am downloading mtpfs not sure how to use it. ok now Amarok shows creative zen as a collection, but nothing under it? I have almost 2 gb's of music loaded on it. wonder why it doesn't show the files i have loaded?

How do I use Kmtpmount) to mount my Zen?
is this a command line input or a file i download from MCC ( I am running Mandi KDE4?

ok below is what i get under with lsusb

so now how do I get the above to mount, even with mtpfs amarok doesnot load any files , the creative player does not show up in MCC local disk it does show up in hardware as below

is there a way to type in a command line to tell Mandi kde4 to mount my zen so I can brouse it and drag/drop files to & from? fnomad doesn't not do this neither does Amarok

I haven't heard of Kmtpmount. It may use the mtpfs & fuse packages. Make sure that the "fuse" module is loaded.

Also, check if your player is listed in either of these two files.
/usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-usb-music-players.fdi
/usr/share/hal/fdi/information/20thirdparty/10-usb-music-players-libmtp.fdi

On my system these are supplied by the hal and libmtp-hal packages, and the Creative Zen Vision is listed in
the second.

You may have problems with video, because the Creative Zen is very touchy about the video it accepts.
I think the videos need to be 24 fps instead of 29.97. You might want to look in the www.anythingbutipod.org website for
details on whaat videos are acceptable. Remember also, that when you see a .avi, .mp4, etc. file, that these are just containers, and the codec used for the video stream is also important.

I prefer using Amarok for my podcasts. I'll create a playlist of the day's podcasts and send the playlist to my device.
I don't care for Amarok 2.0 however and am sticking with 1.4.

does not work -- if you post error messages people could help you better.

^ as suggested above you mite need fuse.

edit:
libmtp allows you to send stuff to it using commands like
mtp-sendfile something.avi 109
mtp-sendtr -a dr-dre song.mp3 song.mp3

i am not sure of the specific syntax -- rtfm.

Do mp3 files in your computer collection show up? If not, you may need to install an mp3 enabled version. The stickies at the top of each forum (e.g. Fedora, SuSE, etc.) will tell you which repository to add to your package system. If you can play mp3's in amarok you are probably OK.

I have stuck with 1.4 because I use my players for podcasts & new podcasts are not highlighted in Amarok 2.0 as far as I could tell. The player shows up as a device in 1.4.

If the player in 2.0 makes up the collection, can you rescan your collection? Is the player selected as part of the collection? One thing I noticed when I tried out 2.0 is that files go right away when you select to copy them to the collection & select the device.

Using the command "mtp-files", do your songs show up? Are the mp3 or wma files. I don't believe the sansa plays other formats.

The command to send files manual to an mtp player for my version of libmtp is "mtp-sendfile filename.mp3 Music/filename.mp3". In the example given in the prior post, the number after the song is the inode of the directory. Entering "mtp-sendfile" by itself should show you the arguments your version expects. You can use "mtp-folders" to learn the names of folders and their inode numbers.

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For mtpfs, you need the fuse module loaded.
The command "lsmod | grep fuse" will show if the fuse kernel module is loaded. If not, run "sudo /sbin/modprobe fuse".
Also check if the hald & dbusd daemons are running.

To use mtpfs is very easy. You first create a directory to use as the mount point. This directory can by in your home directory. You mount it as root. If it doesn't work, you should copy & paste the exact error message. Simply saying it doesn't work isn't much help.
Also look at /var/log/messages just after a failure, e.g.:
sudo tail /var/log/messages

Sometimes more precise information is included in the kernel's messages, and knowing the source of the message (such as the hal daemon)
can help pin down where the problem is.

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Also run the mtp-connect command. It should print out xml information about the player. If the player doesn't connect, try unplugging it, & power cycling the player. Make sure the cable is snug. Sometimes I will have a problem with USB on my laptop. It doesn't seem supply enought power on occasion, and it doesn't matter what I plug in. When this is the case, shutting down the computer for a few minutes may help. If you plug in a pendrive & the light doesn't come on, this is a sure sign of a USB system problem, and a computer shutdown or powercycle are needed.

Good Luck!

Ok I am a linux Nwebie

So Exactly what do I type in the Shell? Do I fisrt connect my Creative Zen in usb and then run Konsole?

just type Kmtmount?

^ you havent answered my questions from a few posts above.

what have you tried and what didnt work ?

what error messages do you get ?

kmtmount is a program I'm not familiar with. The K at the front implies a kde program.

I use the libmtp-utils programs like mtp-files, mtp-connect, etc.

You would start any terminal program such as konsole, xterm, gnome-terminal. You can find it in the menu. I'd recommend adding it to the panel so you can simply click on the quick launch icon.

With kde3, you can drag the konsole icon from the menu and drop it on your panel. In kde4, right click on the icon and select to add it to the panel (or frequent programs of the menu).

If you have the terminal open, first check if the fuse module is loaded.
sudo lsmod | grep fuse

if it doesn't show up, then load it:
sudo /sbin/modprobe fuse

to mount the sansa player, and use it as a filesystem, you can use mtpfs.
First create a directory to mount it. You can do this as a normal user, so create the directory in your home directory:
mkdir ~/sansa

Then plug in the device and mount it:
mtpfs ~/sansa

Now you can use the cp command or even use a file browser. Since this isn't actually a filesystem, mtpfs is performing mtp commands to perform the commands needed to do the same thing. You won't be able to move files from one directory in sansa to another. You will have to copy them instead.

At least you will be able to browse and see if the files are present.

One of the sansa devices (the view I believe) uses the tags and copies files under the System/ directory. They will have strange names. You can use the file command to find out which are mp3 files.
You may have some there and others in the Music/ directory.

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Did you configure the device in amarok as an mtp device?

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P.S.
Sorry I jumped from Creative to Sansa. I had a Creative device but the screen when out. I have a Sansa View & Sansa P2 as well. Both the Sansa & Creative devices use mtp so the instructions I gave don't change. ( You can name the directory something else of course )

Sorry. You would open a command prompt, cd to the folder containing the mtpmount.sh script, and then type ./mtpmount.sh.

The instructions are here: http://www.kompulsa.com/it/itdownloads.php#kmtpmount

Gnomad2 is a good manager for your Zen.

Thank you everyone for your replies,
IUrpmi's Libmtp and now My Creative Zen Shows up in Amarok!

Thanks