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Old 03-03-2007, 02:33 PM   #1
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ATI Radeon 7500 PCI and Graphics acceleration


I have been looking an serching, but as of yet i have been unable to find weatehr or not an accelerated driver for this card exists. I haev on older box sitting around collecting dust and i'd like to breath life back into it with my favorite distro fedora core 6. So my question is, if you haven't already guessed. Are there accelerated drivers for this card and if tehre are, how do i get the? and how do i install them?
 
Old 03-03-2007, 05:14 PM   #2
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man radeon:
Code:
DESCRIPTION
       radeon is an Xorg driver for ATI RADEON based video cards.  It contains
       full support for 8, 15, 16 and 24 bit pixel  depths,  dual-head  setup,
       flat panel, hardware 2D acceleration, hardware 3D acceleration (experi-
       mental on R300 and R400 series cards), hardware cursor,  XV  extension,
       and the Xinerama extension.

SUPPORTED HARDWARE
       The radeon driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on the follow-
       ing ATI chips


       RV200       Radeon 7500, M7, FireGL 7800
So should work. Not so fast, i bet ( here i have a 7000 )

In the man page useful tips too.
 
Old 03-03-2007, 10:17 PM   #3
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so whats teh website that i can find out about this on. I asked about teh radeon 7500 before and so far your teh first to offer me a glimer of hope for 3D... thanx....
 
Old 03-04-2007, 08:33 PM   #4
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I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to dual-head my Kubuntu system using my Readeon 7000. No luck whatsoever. ATI didn't start making Linux drivers until the 8000 series and the open source drivers aren't ready and won't work for dual head (two monitors). I have my 7000 doing my graphics acceleration OK, but I didn't do it - it did it on it's own.

When I was playing with SUSE I found I had to run
aticonf --initial=dual-head --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf
trying to get dual-head to work. It didn't, but it must have triggered the acceleration mode. Until then scrolling the screen was s-l-o-w.

It's something you might try.

I gave up on dual-head in linux with my 7000 card. It works fine in Windows, but I needed a program called Ultramon to make it work the way I think it was supposed to.

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Old 03-05-2007, 03:26 AM   #5
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ATI didn't start making Linux drivers until the 8000 series and the open source drivers aren't ready and won't work for dual head
Didn't know this [ did you connected one monitor to the dvi and the other to the vga? ], never tried, and never tried the tv output too. At least, since they haven't made a proprietary driver ( that i don't like at all ) and since the card is nowaday very very old, they should have released the specs...
 
Old 03-06-2007, 07:56 AM   #6
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Didn't know this [ did you connect one monitor to the dvi and the other to the vga? ]

Yes.

I'm a beginner when it comes to video. I have an LCD screen and a CRT monitor.

Linux displays on both screens, just not independently. When I play a movie the window for the movie shows up on both monitors, but the video shows up on only the VGA CRT monitor.
 
Old 03-07-2007, 05:10 AM   #7
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In the radeon man page, i read full support for dual head. From the console, type man radeon and look for dual head, there is something.

But maybe what you want is xinerama, and even xinerama is mentioned as working.

If you still have troubles, try to post the /etc/X11/xorg.conf here . And before editing it, make a backup copy!!!! One on an hd, and maybe one on a usb pen.
 
Old 03-07-2007, 05:12 AM   #8
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When I play a movie the window for the movie shows up on both monitors, but the video shows up on only the VGA CRT monitor.
What program do you use?
 
Old 03-09-2007, 10:04 PM   #9
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I didn't know there was a man for Radeon. Interesting. It says in the synopsis I need the Driver as "radeon" In the xorg.conf file it's set as "ati".

Here's the pertinent part of xorg.conf:
--------------------
Section "Device"
Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon 7500]"
Driver "ati"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "JTX V9S"
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon 7500]"
Monitor "JTX V9S"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
InputDevice "stylus" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice "eraser" "SendCoreEvents"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection

--------------------
It identifies my JTX V9s 19-inch LCD monitor
It doesn't see my Dell 18-inch CRT monitor.

Both monitors have VGA plugs. The ATI 7500 board has a VGA socket and a DVI (I guess) socket. The CRT is plugged into the DVI plug with an adapter that came with the board. Both monitors show the same thing.

In Man radeon the word "dual" shows up once in the description.
Here's the synopsis
Section "Device"
Identifier "devname"
Driver "radeon"
...
End Section

Under Supported Hardware:
The radeon driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on the following ATI chips

RV200 Radeon 7500, M7, FireGL 7800
etc

The man refers to an xorg.conf(5x). I located the file as a .gz file.
I might be on my way, but EVERYtime I get positive, 'ole linux shuts me out.

Nope: I studied this for an hour and it's not something I can do. The man talks about 'Option "MonitorLayout" "string" ' but I don't know what to put in there.

I'm just to new to this and a month ago I was trying to mess with it and lost the video. I reinstalled Linux after that. I don't want to do that again.

You mentioned something called xinerama. There are some obscure files with that name in it like libxineramal.list. In the add/remove software it doesn't appear. I can't install anymore programs anyway because I get and error message like this:
There was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
... whenever I try to add another game or something. (I like Linux, it's so friendly.)
I didn't update the 900 or so programs after I installed Kubuntu and now I can't do it for the same error pops up.

As for playing the movies, It was an mpeg and Kaffeine plays it on the CRT connected to the DVI input but won't play it on the LCD screen connected to the VGA input.

I'm beyond hope, aren't I?

Last edited by oldmartian; 03-09-2007 at 10:13 PM.
 
Old 03-10-2007, 03:02 PM   #10
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I didn't know there was a man for Radeon. Interesting. It says in the synopsis I need the Driver as "radeon" In the xorg.conf file it's set as "ati".
Maybe it's even the same, try to change ati to radeon and report what happens.

Mine looks this way:
Quote:
Section "Device"
Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]"
Driver "radeon"
Option "AGPMode" "4"
Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
Option "AGPFastWrite" "on"
EndSection
Quote:
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
I doubt it is a pci card, is it? Or is it an agp card?

Xinerama: i didn't know exactly what it was, apt-cache show libxinerama1 shows:

Quote:
Description: X11 Xinerama extension library
libXinerama provides an X Window System client interface to the XINERAMA
extension to the X protocol.
.
The Xinerama (also known as panoramiX) extension allows for multiple screens
attached to a single display to be treated as belonging together, and to give
desktop applications a better idea of the monitor layout.
This should be what are you looking for. Unfortunatly i can't help more since i don't have 2 monitor. You can search this forum ( and with a search engine ) for xinerama, or, if you don't find anything about it, open a new thread for xinerama, ok?

Quote:
It was an mpeg and Kaffeine plays it on the CRT connected to the DVI input but won't play it on the LCD screen connected to the VGA input.
For this, search for kaffeine, , its homepage, search its faq, look at its manual, use a search engine and kaffeine dual monitor, and if you find nothing, another thread about kaffeine dual monitor.

Quote:
I'm beyond hope, aren't I?
No, you are on the right way. I'm quite sure you'll find a way to do what you are looking for. Don't give up! I faced eons of problem too, and setting up a linux system 7 years ago was much more problematic than today.
 
Old 03-11-2007, 04:36 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by mtb
I doubt it is a pci card, is it? Or is it an agp card?
I looked up the docs on the card. It's an AGP card because the installion tells me to plug it into an AGP slot.

Does that change the line:
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
to:
BusID "AGP:1:0:0"

I will modify the xorg.conf as you suggested and use AGP as above.

I am getting very tired of Linux. I looked at your references and found thousands of "well, try this if that doesn't work," in statements that I have no idea where they are referring to.

I appreciate your help. Stick with me for a little longer. I DO want this to work.
 
Old 03-11-2007, 05:34 PM   #12
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You don't need to specify it's agp. Just add a line with the option
Code:
Option "AGPMode" "4"
( read card and motherboard spec ) and put a # before BusID "PCI:1:0:0" , so that becomes
Code:
#BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
( # makes the line a comment ).

If you don't know what agp speed it supports, just comment the pci:1:0:0 line.
 
Old 03-11-2007, 06:17 PM   #13
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Well, I did what you suggested and nothing changed. Before I got this last msg from you I put AGP in there but then changed it back, since it didn't change anything.

By not changing anything, I mean I went into the control panel and selected display and looked to see if the Dual Monitor button was not grayed out. I did this in Administrator.

I did the same with the other stuff "radeon", Options, you suggested. After nothing changed anything, I went in and tried changing the driver from the Display control settings. After another 2.5 hours of doing the same thing I do in Linux (reboot, wait, look for changed, change something, reboot, etc. ad inf intitum) noting has changed. I did screw up the display but I FINALLY saved the day with the backup xorg.conf I made. So, I'm back to ground zero, except that I'm older and more frustrated.

I want to do something besides fix Linuxxxx. I want to use my computer as a computer!

I just fixed it! There's an Off" button on my CRT!
To give you some history, I used up 2 weeks getting my Brother Laser printer to work with Linux as a USB printer. I finally gave up and found an old parallel printer cable and hooked it up that way. My conclusions, especially by the hundreds of thousands of help pleas on the internet has me feeling the only people USING Linux are the lucky people where it happened to work the first time.

Thanks for the help anyway.

Oldmartian
 
Old 03-12-2007, 01:35 AM   #14
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Agp thing i wrote was meant only to increase performances.

For xinerama, as i have already wrote, i'm unable to test since i have only 1 monitor.

A rapid search with a search engine reports this page: take a look at the xorg chapter:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_DRI_wit...Source_Drivers
 
  


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