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Old 02-23-2005, 11:31 AM   #1
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Athlon & Sempron / Sata & IDE


Hi there!

- My new PC is soon to be up and running, only two things left: Processor and Harddrive. I'm used to buy everything in a local store over here and it just happens that they ran out of AMD Athlon XP 3000+ (right now, two days before the payment day, argh...), which was the one I had in mind. They still have a lot of Sempron 2800 and 3000 left and I was wondering how those processors are (game performance wise)... would it be the same as comparing Pentium to Celerons? Because that would take Sempron off the table for me...

I can wait till they receive more Athlon's, but you know how it is to finally see my PC running .

- Now, onto the harddrive question. I think I'm going with a small HD (not that small, 80GB+) because I plan to let my movies and larger files in another machine, as a file server. I have a spare HD that is IDE. Is it possible to use that HD on my motherboard (Sata). I know they use different plugs, but apparently, the CD-Rom cable is also IDE (?). Here is my motherboard:

http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=19734

If I'm able to run both IDE and Sata in this motherboard, should I chose an IDE HD or support for Sata in Linux is good enough already?. This might sound silly, but I've no previous experiences building a PC of my own

Any help/suggestions are most welcome.

Thanks in advance!
 
Old 02-23-2005, 12:19 PM   #2
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would it be the same as comparing Pentium to Celerons?
As is my understanding, that is exactly what it is...

The Sempron line of processors was created to replace the ageing 'Duron' name, which you probably know was AMD's 'budget' processor. This being said, I have never actually used one, but I cannot see a Sempron 3000 performing as well as an Athlon 3000 given the price difference.

As for HDD, I am a bit confused:
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2 x Ultra DMA 33/66/100/133 Connectors
That description sounds like an IDE channel in everything except for actually stating 'IDE'. However, looking at the picture of the mobo, it is clear that there are no ide controller connections (the one on the far left is FDD).

I do not know enough about hardware to tell you either way, but perhaps there exists some sort of adapter to use IDE devices with SATA connectors.

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Old 02-24-2005, 12:09 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply bulliver!

yup, I guess I will wait/order for some AMD Athlon XP instead. What was more interesting is that, in this very same store, the difference between and XP 3000+ and a Sempron 3000 is about 12 USD, worthy wait for the XP then

And I will ask them if I could use a IDE HD in that motherboard. I've checked the manual that came with the board, but nothing interesting came up, but I bet you are right about that too

Thanks again!
 
Old 02-24-2005, 12:29 AM   #4
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The IDE/ATA connectors are the turqoise ones at the bottom left in that picture. A little unorthodox placement but it should work well with most ATX cases.

The Sempron is pretty much a re-labeled 7th generation Athlon and while it is intended to replace the Duron it's not worse performance-wise than the Athlon XP. The Sempron is a budget CPU compared to the Athlon64, and is on par with the Athlon XP.


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Old 02-25-2005, 12:13 AM   #5
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Thanks Hkan. So, if they are not so different performance wise (as is Celeron and Intel), perhaps it is still worthy getting one? (note that I'm a gamer, so performance is always important).

There's also a line called Barton and I've heard that they run less hot. Either it's true or not, I don't know
 
Old 02-25-2005, 12:23 AM   #6
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Funny link:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...html#directx_9

Apparently, a Sempron 3000+ has a better performance than a Athlon 3200+. Or have I been reading it wrong again
 
Old 02-25-2005, 10:32 PM   #7
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The Semprons below the 3000+ will probably not perform
on par with the same speed AthlonXP (barton core) as these
Semprons have a smaller cache.
The 3000+, however, has the same as the Athlon.
Be sure to check before purchase.
As long as you choose 3000+ or better, I would think price would
be the deciding factor.

As far as heat with the barton core XP's, my 2000+ runs pretty hot.
While that may be a fan/heatsink issue, it's also a bit of a testimonial.
My cpu is rock steady under abuse and a clogged heat sink once led
to a few days of instability and eventual lock up of the machine.
I cleaned the sink and all was well. That was over a year ago.
 
Old 02-25-2005, 10:45 PM   #8
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Thanks auditek747 for your kind reply. Well, based on price, availability of Semprons in that store and the link comparing their performances, I went today to that store and purchased the Sempron 3000+. The thing flies compared to my Intel P4. It's running about 46 Celsius degrees according to the bios. I could keep my Intel below 30 if I remember right.

I think it was a nice purchase. Had a lot of headaches to get Sata to work with both Linux and Windows, but everything seems fine so far

Regards!
 
Old 03-21-2005, 06:40 AM   #9
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Hi guys

As far as i,m aware, the sempron is just a repackaged Athlon for the new socket.

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