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View Poll Results: Do you think ubuntu is the most recommmended linux distro ?
Yes...!! 20 45.45%
No...!! 24 54.55%
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Old 07-07-2011, 08:57 PM   #76
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Ubuntu is a self-sustaining non-profit organization.
Just to clarify, Ubuntu is the product, Canonical is the organization, and I doubt that there are non-profit.

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If you think something is lacking and you have the skills to fix it, you can maintain that project in sync with everything else. And if it’s a big contribution; you will get free plane tickets to the live meetings, etc.
Whenever you want to contribute to Ubuntu with code (patches or software) you give all copyright to Canonical. It isn't your code afterwards and if they decide to change the license you can't do anything about that.

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They are the poster-child of free software.
If they would be they would leave the copyright of contributed code to the authors.

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This keeps the zealots away.
We are speaking about Ubuntu, aren't we? I don't think that any other distribution has more zealots than Ubuntu.

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They are loyal to upstream They don’t diverge from upstream too much. The choices of GNOME/KDE/Linus are all respected;
Sure about that? Heard of the Ubuntu/Banshee controversy? Patches not delivered back to upstream developers?

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They want to play the part of gate-keeper for the complete free software ecosystem.
But does the free software ecosystem really want to give them the keys?

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One of the ways to do this is too have regular scheduled released.
In my eyes, as stated before, the release cycle of only 6 months is too short to release a mature distribution. In opposition to Ubuntu Fedora, with the same release cycle, doesn't want to be a really stable distribution, it is a distribution for people that love to be cutting edge and developers. People know that a Fedora system may break from time to time. But Ubuntu, with its intention to be a distro for newbies and people that change from other OSes, is in my eyes more a damage to the free software ecosystem, see my previous post in this thread regarding this.

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They compete with Microsoft and Apple, not other linux distro’s
Do they really? Many people out there, and I met some of them personally, don't even know that Ubuntu is a Linux distribution. Visit the main page of their website and their download page, the most visited places on their site I would assume, and search for the term Linux. You won't find it. I remember the question of a customer (when I worked at a PC-vendor that delivered all system with Ubuntu pre-installed) that asked if we could deliver his system with Linux instead of Ubuntu.

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but the 99% of all new linux users of the last 3 years, have started with Ubuntu.
99%? I know that many users start with Ubuntu. I myself did. But 99%? I doubt so.

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Some will start using it professionally. This benefits Red Hat and SUSE just as much.
I doubt so. How could a third player on the already established market for enterprise distributions (and I would count Ubuntu as that if you buy support from them) could be good for the already established players, even if the overall market-share rises? Canonical has no interest in attracting users that then go to other distributions, especially that users that will pay for support.

Only my 2 cents.

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Old 07-08-2011, 12:13 AM   #77
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In my eyes, as stated before, the release cycle of only 6 months is too short to release a mature distribution. In opposition to Ubuntu Fedora, with the same release cycle, doesn't want to be a really stable distribution, it is a distribution for people that love to be cutting edge and developers. People know that a Fedora system may break from time to time. But Ubuntu, with its intention to be a distro for newbies and people that change from other OSes, is in my eyes more a damage to the free software ecosystem, see my previous post in this thread regarding this.
Exactly. And that is the reason why i don't recommend it to people who ask me which linux to choose (not that much would ask me, but the few who do: i tell them to use Debian. After i installed and configured it, they can use it for a while -right now about 1.5 to 2 years- without the need to take much care. Its stable. That is what i call being beginner-friendly. I guess the same can be said of some other distros, like Slackware, too, but i don't know them).

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Sure about that? Heard of the Ubuntu/Banshee controversy? Patches not delivered back to upstream developers?
i seem to recall i have read similar things about the kernel.
 
Old 07-08-2011, 01:14 AM   #78
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Originally Posted by TobiSGD View Post
Just to clarify, Ubuntu is the product, Canonical is the organization, and I doubt that there are non-profit.



Whenever you want to contribute to Ubuntu with code (patches or software) you give all copyright to Canonical. It isn't your code afterwards and if they decide to change the license you can't do anything about that.



If they would be they would leave the copyright of contributed code to the authors.



We are speaking about Ubuntu, aren't we? I don't think that any other distribution has more zealots than Ubuntu.



Sure about that? Heard of the Ubuntu/Banshee controversy? Patches not delivered back to upstream developers?



But does the free software ecosystem really want to give them the keys?



In my eyes, as stated before, the release cycle of only 6 months is too short to release a mature distribution. In opposition to Ubuntu Fedora, with the same release cycle, doesn't want to be a really stable distribution, it is a distribution for people that love to be cutting edge and developers. People know that a Fedora system may break from time to time. But Ubuntu, with its intention to be a distro for newbies and people that change from other OSes, is in my eyes more a damage to the free software ecosystem, see my previous post in this thread regarding this.



Do they really? Many people out there, and I met some of them personally, don't even know that Ubuntu is a Linux distribution. Visit the main page of their website and their download page, the most visited places on their site I would assume, and search for the term Linux. You won't find it. I remember the question of a customer (when I worked at a PC-vendor that delivered all system with Ubuntu pre-installed) that asked if we could deliver his system with Linux instead of Ubuntu.



99%? I know that many users start with Ubuntu. I myself did. But 99%? I doubt so.



I doubt so. How could a third player on the already established market for enterprise distributions (and I would count Ubuntu as that if you buy support from them) could be good for the already established players, even if the overall market-share rises? Canonical has no interest in attracting users that then go to other distributions, especially that users that will pay for support.

Only my 2 cents.
thanks...for your comments !
BTW,these are not my views actually.....i've already put the link to actual post in the title...
I just suspected their truthfulness, so put them here.
 
Old 07-09-2011, 05:22 AM   #79
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Top 7 Best-kept Ubuntu Secrets
 
Old 07-09-2011, 05:28 AM   #80
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Besides getdeb.net and Ubuntu Tweak I don't see how that "Ubuntu secrets" are related to Ubuntu, besides the fact that you can install the software on it, as on any other distribution.
 
Old 07-09-2011, 06:33 AM   #81
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The last "stable" Ubuntu release made it drop from the number 1 spot at Distrowatch in favor of Mint.

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1 Mint 1872
2 Ubuntu 1751
3 Fedora 1483
4 PCLinuxOS 1390
5 Debian 1340
(last 30 days)

It's regaining a little after their 11.10 alpha release, just far less than it used to do.

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Old 07-09-2011, 08:02 PM   #82
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The last "stable" Ubuntu release made it drop from the number 1 spot at Distrowatch in favor of Mint
last 7 days--->>
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1) Ubuntu
2) Mint
3) PCLinuxOS
4) Fedora
 
Old 07-10-2011, 06:09 AM   #83
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Last 30 days, really. According to the distrowatch web page I see, this is for the last six months, Ubuntu has stayed at it's postion, and Mint has dropped, as to the hits per day. As of 7 days, Ubuntu is increasing, Mint is declining still, 3 months all declining but Ubuntu still at top, and so the 30 day indicated Mint no1. but declining, as the 7 day shows.

Rank Distribution H.P.D*
1 Ubuntu 2297 =
2 Mint 2175 <
3 Fedora 1595 =
4 Debian 1509 <
5 openSUSE 1324 <
6 Arch 1069 >
7 PCLinuxOS 962 >
8 Puppy 836 <
9 CentOS 793 >
10 Sabayon 730 <

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Old 07-10-2011, 06:30 AM   #84
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Besides getdeb.net and Ubuntu Tweak I don't see how that "Ubuntu secrets" are related to Ubuntu, besides the fact that you can install the software on it, as on any other distribution.
I must agree with you here, and I dump Banshee for Clementine, and add VLC. This link is probably more inline with what to do with Ubuntu. This is aimed at 11.04, also covers for those that don't like Unity.

http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutoria...-natty-narwhal
 
Old 07-11-2011, 04:43 AM   #85
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poll shows that only 40% people agree with the question...
Anyway,it seems that some evil spirits have put their eyes on the option "Yes",it is stuck at 8 votes.....
 
Old 07-11-2011, 04:45 AM   #86
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The cost of Ubuntu's Success

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Old 07-11-2011, 04:55 AM   #87
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Red Hat, 16%. Canonical, 1%.
 
Old 07-14-2011, 11:53 PM   #88
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Old 07-16-2011, 10:02 AM   #89
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I don't get this downer that a lot of people have on Ubuntu and Canonical. They are producing a variant of GNU/Linux that works in a certain way and people that like the way it works use it.

People who don't like it have many many other choices. Canonical/Ubuntu are not like MS/Windows. They don't use any means, legal or otherwise, to force you to use their product or restrict your other choices.

If it insults your intelligence go install Gentoo or Slackware, or create your own.

Linux is about choice. I don't criticize your choice, please return the favour.
 
Old 07-16-2011, 01:21 PM   #90
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what I really hate is more than there can possibly be any excuse for assume that you-bum-too IS LINUS the one and only distro no support for any other distro no other packages not even source unless you email the maintainer and request the source
some even go so far that the only way to down load the app is by a network package installer found only on u-bum-2

over all I would have to say U-bum-2 is a pain in the ass for those of us running a real distro
 
  


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