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Old 07-04-2011, 08:53 AM   #16
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I recommend Ubuntu for new users because it was my first distro. In other words my advice is based on personal experience rather than opinion/judgement.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 09:39 AM   #17
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I started on Linux in the early 90's when it first hit the "market" as a free alternate O/S. I migrated to SuSE, until it was bastardized by Novell with Microsoft's fingers in the pie. Then tried OpenSuSE for a while, Red Hat, Mandriva then Fedora. I've finally settled and have been using Ubuntu since 6.06 LTS Dapper Drake. I have a soft spot for it because it is created and distributed by a countryman of mine, Mark Shuttleworth of Canonical, who made himself super wealthy with the sale of his company Thawte Technologies, that invented/improved web certificates, using open source software. He then created Canonical, why would he then create and use prolifically, a bad distro in the opinion of some of you, and give it away, as well as distribute it for free. It is the top listed distro in distrowatch, and there is nothing wrong with it for everyday use.

Sure it has Unity now in 11.04 Natty, I have no problems with Unity, and migrating over to using it. So what, it does not change the workflow of the O/S. How many users both Noobs and experienced around the world adapted from Windows 95, right through to XP, and then either Vista, or on to Windows 7. Major changes in the desktop and even the "Start bar", many complained but they got on to using it and Vista and 7 are here to stay and are being used. And I am a long way away from being a fanboy or web troll, at the age of 52 having been it I.T. and used various Unices and Windows since 1975, before many of you were born. Adapt, conquer and apply is my motto, and get on with using the O/s instead of shouting down others. That's why Linux is what it is, free and free to modify and do with what you like. You all rant and rave about the front end, the eye candy. At the core of all distros it is still Linux kernel. And as some of you indicate, you like Mint, but it is simply Ubuntu with a new front end

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Old 07-04-2011, 09:58 AM   #18
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Sure it has Unity now in 11.04 Natty, I have no problems with Unity, and migrating over to using it. So what, it does not change the workflow of the O/S. How many users both Noobs and experienced around the world adapted from Windows 95, right through to XP, and then either Vista, or on to Windows 7. Major changes in the desktop and even the "Start bar", many complained but they got on to using it and Vista and 7 are here to stay and are being used. And I am a long way away from being a fanboy or web troll, at the age of 52 having been it I.T. and used various Unices and Windows since 1975, before many of you were born. Adapt, conquer and apply is my motto, and get on with using the O/s instead of shouting down others. That's why Linux is what it is, free and free to modify and do with what you like. You all rant and rave about the front end, the eye candy. At the core of all distros it is still Linux kernel. And as some of you indicate, you like Mint, but it is simply Ubuntu with a new front end.
Exactly that is the point. My OS has to work for me, not I for the OS. Therefore my GUI has to adapt to me, not I to the GUI. For most people it is not the OS that dictates the workflow, it is the GUI. So for these people a change to Unity would change the workflow. That is the reason why so many people changed from Ubuntu to other distros, because they wanted their old GUI, even if only partially. Mint is not Ubuntu with a new GUI, it is Ubuntu with an old GUI. For the same reason many people consider to change to XFCE instead of going to Gnome 3. Those people don't want to adapt their workflow to that new style of GUIs.
With Windows this is a completely different story. At first, most Windows users don't even recognize that they have the possibility to change to something other than Windows or a different GUI. At second, they are forced by this to do the change to newer Windows versions. At the time I used Windows 2000 I refused to change to XP as long as I could, but at one point in time newer software was no longer compatible with Windows 2000. So you have to change to a newer Windows version to use supported software. The same is true for Vista and 7. Also, I don't think that much people really think they have the choice. If they buy a new PC it comes with the newest version of Windows pre-installed. Same is true for Apple and MacOS. But none of this is the case with Linux. I can use the newest version of a cutting edge distro and make it look like Windows 95 with using IceWM, if I am more comfortable with that in my workflow. This is not possible with Windows.

In short: My OS has to work and look exactly the way I want it to act and look. My OS is not allowed to force a workflow and GUI on me that doesn't fit to my style of working. Regardless if it is Windows or Linux.
The user is king, not the OS.

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Old 07-04-2011, 10:01 AM   #19
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{...}How many users both Noobs and experienced around the world adapted from Windows 95, right through to XP, and then either Vista, or on to Windows 7.{...}
Exactly. Progress requires open-mind.
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{...}age of 52 having been it I.T. and used various Unices and Windows since 1975, before many of you were born.{...}
Sorry but age is not argument - many people live like in box or barrel so they at that age haven't seen enough to teach others. Not saying you did just pointing out - beeing older doesn't count as valid argument - experience however does.
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{...}That's why Linux is what it is, free and free to modify and do with what you like.{...}
YES! This is what choice and freedom is all about! You can pick any Linux you desire without paying much or if you don't want pick one just install them all from what you like and use all based on mood or daytime or day or whatever else. And you can customize till you get sick from it. Same about other stupid fights like firefox vs opera or one game vs other game etc.. Why not use both? You will get twice good stuff than people who fight for one. Maybe some people like beeing dictated what to do or what to use but i don't see why would anyone miss opportunity to be able to decide what's good for themselves by themselves..
 
Old 07-04-2011, 10:06 AM   #20
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Exactly that is the point. My OS has to work for me, not I for the OS. Therefore my GUI has to adapt to me, not I to the GUI. For most people it is not the OS that dictates the workflow, it is the GUI. So for these people a change to Unity would change the workflow. That is the reason why so many people changed from Ubuntu to other distros, because they wanted their old GUI, even if only partially. Mint is not Ubuntu with a new GUI, it is Ubuntu with an old GUI. For the same reason many people consider to change to XFCE instead of going to Gnome 3. Those people don't want to adapt their workflow to that new style of GUIs.

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In short: My OS has to work and look exactly the way I want it to act and look. My OS is not allowed to force a workflow and GUI on me that doesn't fit to my style of working. Regardless if it is Windows or Linux.
The user is king, not the OS.
Hi TobiSGD, I am genuinely curious how you plan to continue with Gnome 2.x now that the Gnome Foundation itself has no plans to support it going forward? I understand you can keep going for a year or two by using Ubuntu LTS, Mint, etc. but then what?

I'm not a Gnome user so I am wondering how experienced Gnome users such as yourself plan to handle this transition?
 
Old 07-04-2011, 01:08 PM   #21
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Over the last decade I've tried 45 distros. In my notes I read "Ubuntu 11 had Unity interface that lacked configurability and seemed unfinished. Xubuntu couldn't play one of the video files". Admittedly, that's a lot better than "Mageia 1: no video codecs available", let alone "aLinux (formerly Peanut): couldn’t create root password or access eth0". But AntiX, CentOS, CrunchBang, Mepis, Mint, Knoppix, Mandriva, Salix, Vector, and ZevenOS have no problems listed. So that's why I don't recommend Ubuntu. Why do other people recommend it? Because some people believe every thing they read, and others only know the one distro they've installed.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 01:26 PM   #22
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Ever since I have tried Ubuntu 11.04, I decided that I'm not recommending it to newbies any more. Mostly because of Unity.
Same here.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 02:21 PM   #23
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Exactly. Progress requires open-mind.

Sorry but age is not argument - many people live like in box or barrel so they at that age haven't seen enough to teach others. Not saying you did just pointing out - beeing older doesn't count as valid argument - experience however does.
Hi Arcane

Ah! that is also the problem with the modern young generation, they think all of us older fogeys have no experience or little of it. There are many of us that are not technology challenged or cybershocked. Fact is we built the world and technologies you now readily use, as we did not have it so had to invent it for ourselves, and then hand down to the following generations. So actually age and agreed with you, experience (which only comes with age if one is openminded enough to learn something every day) is an argument, age is also wisdom. We at this age don't sell our souls for technology, simply use it for what it really is, a tool to get a job done more efficiently and productively, and for enjoyment. I have worked on O/S's and system software now long forgotten, building my first "computer" when I was 16 (1975), such as Lisp, Pick, Turtle Graphics, CP/M, GEM, COBOL, FORTRAN etc.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 02:33 PM   #24
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So actually age and agreed with you, experience (which only comes with age if one is openminded enough to learn something every day) is an argument, age is also wisdom.
Sorry, but I have to disagree, at least partially. While you are right that great experience and wisdom needs a certain age, wisdom and experience don't come automatically with age. In that sense, age doesn't count, but experience does.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 02:33 PM   #25
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Over the last decade I've tried 45 distros. In my notes I read "Ubuntu 11 had Unity interface that lacked configurability and seemed unfinished. Xubuntu couldn't play one of the video files". Admittedly, that's a lot better than "Mageia 1: no video codecs available", let alone "aLinux (formerly Peanut): couldn’t create root password or access eth0". But AntiX, CentOS, CrunchBang, Mepis, Mint, Knoppix, Mandriva, Salix, Vector, and ZevenOS have no problems listed. So that's why I don't recommend Ubuntu. Why do other people recommend it? Because some people believe every thing they read, and others only know the one distro they've installed.
David

It seems you have not read my post thoroughly. I have been using GNU Linux (it's actual correct name) since it first hit the streets and like you, I mentioned I have tried many. And with all of that I still like using Ubuntu, with all of my years of experience in Unix and Linux. I recommend it to others on my experience, and that is not Mickey Mouse, because it is a good solid O/S. And it is being polished by every release. Here's something of interest and another reason for recommending Ubuntu to those moving from Windows, I was scanning the Wine applist, and found one Linux distro stands out above the rest for running most Windows based apps more frequently in the Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum sections, and that is Ubuntu. So many can slate it, but it must have something going for it, along with Wine to have so many Windows apps working where the same apps are "GARBAGE" in other Linux distro's. And this is how and why it will and is winning many over to it. We cannot beat out Wndows O/S's but Ubuntu seems to be doing a far better job of changing this compared to other distros, and us wasting energy and arguing amongst ourselves, while the Lion runs away with the spoils.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 02:36 PM   #26
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Follow the path of least resistance

I recommend Ubuntu because Ubuntu forums are the most abundant and these forums have the most info on GUI aspects. If I have a GUI question I search the Ubuntu forums as a last resort. The majority of people curious of Linux are not suitable to a learing curve or simply don't have the TIME. Ubuntu has a GUI answer to most everything. I had Ubuntu 7.10 in a few months ago and it asked if I wanted to update it. I think Ubuntu was conceived as the parallel to Windows. I remember another member refering to Ubuntu's GUI as gooey. As a beginner you still have to get things done so it's a solid choice. I'm using Fedora now but it would have been too hard to start with. I started with Ubuntu but did not understand why it was bare bones, (free live disk sent to my house). Ubuntu has created it's own end of the Linux market so I would say that Ubuntu has contributed the most as far as migrating users are concerned.Edit: I think Mandriva is the best for beginners to intermediate users but Ubuntu's forums are unparalleled. If I recommend a O.S to some one it's up to me to get it to work for them or Ive let them,Linux , and opensource down. For the record I don't know anyone motivated enough to get even Ubuntu to work for them.

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Old 07-04-2011, 02:40 PM   #27
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Same here.
Reply to you both Sycamorex and DavidMcCann

Then change it back to the Classic desktop. It is simply an interface and can be removed and returned back to Ubuntu Classic Desktop where it looks like 10.10. I do this regularly with my customer using Linux dekstop. I let them experiment with Unity and if they don't like it, I return them to the classic desktop. That's what I was referring to about free and freedom of choice. Linux and Ubuntu Linux is so open you can change it to whatever you like. Don't smack a distro simply because of an easily removable interface or function. If you like the Fedora look then you can change the entire desktop to look like Fedora, or Mint or whatever you choose.

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Sorry, but I have to disagree, at least partially. While you are right that great experience and wisdom needs a certain age, wisdom and experience don't come automatically with age. In that sense, age doesn't count, but experience does.
:-) Let us agree to disagree

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Old 07-04-2011, 02:48 PM   #28
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I was scanning the Wine applist, and found one Linux distro stands out above the rest for running most Windows based apps more frequently in the Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum sections, and that is Ubuntu.
Sorry, but that is a non-argument. Of course you will find more people that are using Wine and are tinkering with it on Ubuntu. That is just because:
1. More people use Ubuntu than any other distro (at least according to Distrowatch, who knows for sure)
2. Since Ubuntu was recommended for newbies (read people that have changed from Windows) many of them have tried to get their games running.

As I used Debian I searched for a distro for gaming, because Debian's wine was rather old and I didn't want to make my own packages. I searched on the AppDB for my games and found that most of my games (and I have many) run best on Arch Linux. So in my experience Arch Linux would be the best for people that want to run Windows games, but i wouldn't even think about recommending it to a newbie.

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I recommend it to others on my experience, and that is not Mickey Mouse, because it is a good solid O/S. And it is being polished by every release.
I also have to disagree here. I left Ubuntu (yes I have used it from 8.04 to 9.10) because it became more buggy with every release. I also don't see how a new WM like Unity, that is in my eyes not more than a beta-version (I think some distros wouldn't even consider to call that beta), can in a sane way be released as part of the standard desktop environment in a normal release. That is exactly the opposite from what I would call polished.
 
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{...}Ah! that is also the problem with the modern young generation, they think all of us older fogeys have no experience or little of it.{...}
1.I didn't said anything about YOU personally. Just pointed out age factor is not valid argument in discussion. It is annoying that everytime there is discussion someone has to start mentioning their age.
2.Age without experience still means nothing. If person is novice in something even little kid beats him if kid has some experience in topic. Long story short - it is not HOW OLD you are but HOW you lived those years.
3.Since you replied with "modern young generation" to me i will say i'm not one of them. I won't go into details since i didn't do anything wrong to explain myself but i will just say i always respected older people and still do. I just dislike that they tend to forget they were young once too..
 
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Sorry, but that is a non-argument.

1. More people use Ubuntu than any other distro (at least according to Distrowatch, who knows for sure)
2. Since Ubuntu was recommended for newbies (read people that have changed from Windows) many of them have tried to get their games running.

I also have to disagree here. I left Ubuntu (yes I have used it from 8.04 to 9.10) because it became more buggy with every release. I also don't see how a new WM like Unity, that is in my eyes not more than a beta-version (I think some distros wouldn't even consider to call that beta), can in a sane way be released as part of the standard desktop environment in a normal release. That is exactly the opposite from what I would call polished.
TobiSGD

How can it be a non-argument, if a distro is high on any list you like to call it, it is receiving more attention. We are now getting into the old Betamax versus VHS versus V2000 argument. VHS did not win the war because it was a superior product (Beta is the best and still used where tape is still valid, by Pro's), but because more people adopted it, and with that VHS got better and better, with all of the arguments against and for.

1. As I said in my first post Ubuntu is no.1 on Distrowatch
2. That's again where I am coming from, more adoption, more popular therefore more work and attention will be given to it. The snowball rolls and gains both size and momentum. The same for MS, most of us agree it is a crap O/S when compared, and we are here on this forum amongst millions of others because of choice, but still MS dominate.

But are the bugs going to affect the everyday user for his office use, email, interent, games, burning or ripping a CD/DVD etc, no and that is why it is growing in popularity.
 
  


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