thats for that was a big help
well i found red carpet although now i cant figure out how to use it... is it meant to have a gui? i've found rcd under /usr/sbin although it says in man that its simply a backend daemon program used by a program "rug" although i can't find rug anywhere... meh i'll search around the web for details on running rcd
Anyways thanks for the help locate is DEFINATELY what ive been missing!
i was just assuming it would auto add the new program to my menu somewhere, i guess i do this myself
i also found that there is a switch when using rpm that allows me to override the default install location