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Old 05-18-2010, 11:08 AM   #16
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We all read your post, did you read everyone's?
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macho pissing contes
that sounds childish, which is why everyone is ignoring it.

You have to understand different distros are for different purposes/usages.
You are obviously better fit for Ubuntu^^, and there's nothing wrong that.
In the example about the car, Ubuntu users probably care more about making the car work and impress some chicks, while Debian users care more about how to make it run as fast as possible/customize it/how the engine works, etc. And I repeat, there's nothing wrong with that.
If you don't like Debian you really don't want to try slackware... nor Red Hat. Debian is really one of the easiest to use "serious" distros available.

/etc/network/interfaces is a lot more logical to check than "Networks" (is that a panel?) or at least when you have a root user^^ (you usually do btw).

Just use whatever you like, and if you want to learn more about GNU/Linux distros, read a book.
 
Old 05-18-2010, 11:25 AM   #17
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You have to understand different distros are for different purposes/usages.
You are obviously better fit for Ubuntu^^, and there's nothing wrong that.
+1

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In the example about the car, Ubuntu users probably care more about making the car work and impress some chicks, Debian users care more about how to make it run as fast as possible/customize it/how the engine works, etc.
I *so* agree with that... So the Ubuntu-ers get the chicks, and we Debian-ers, Slackers and the like are really sad geeks
 
Old 05-18-2010, 11:26 AM   #18
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It seems that criticising Debian invokes knee-jerk reflexes in some people. I am very glad that impert gets more mileage out of linux that I do; but I don't really want to participate in a macho pissing contest
I did not try to imply that I am cleverer than you, or more knowledgeable, and I don't know how you read that into my post. I only posted to point out that a Debian install is not always painful. You have different hardware, you also want ext4, so perhaps that explains it.
As I said, Debian runs well on my mini, better in my opinion than OS X (quicker, and fewer hangs). It's less glossy than some other distros; personally, I like that. I don't use it all the time; I'm also very happy with Ubuntu, Arch, and with almost all other distros I've tried.
If you prefer something else to Debian, fine. But don't you think "unmitigated disaster" is going a bit far? After all, any linux distro is a bargain at the price!

Last edited by impert; 05-18-2010 at 11:27 AM.
 
Old 05-18-2010, 12:32 PM   #19
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"unmitigated disaster" is going a bit far? After all, any linux distro is a bargain at the price!
Not really if you consider the time it takes to install it and the fact that better things exist at the same price!
 
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:29 PM   #20
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The other day I tried my luck at installing Debian on my iMac 7.1. I like Ubuntu well enough, but it seems to be headed in a direction I'm not sure I want to follow, what with the "social from the start" teenie stuff. So with my tried and true Ubuntu backups up my sleeve I decided to give Debian a shot, knowing full well that it is considered more difficult than Ubuntu.
If you get tired of the candy cane linuxes just install Slackware on your Mac. Here's http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ac-pro-705438/ how they do things like that.

I used to run Debian on several computers in my house. None of them is still running. All have been upgraded to Slackware 12.x Big trouboe with Debian is (imho) that after a short while, when the new version is running) the old version is ditched completely. All repositories are wiped out and if you wish to upgrade part of your (eg Sarge) system, you will only find support for the newer (in my case Lenny) version. Try to install Seamonkey from source. Won't go. Debian have their own rules, their own libraries, their own kind of people. Debian are the Master Distribution.
 
Old 05-18-2010, 01:47 PM   #21
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It seems that criticising Debian invokes knee-jerk reflexes in some people.
To many users, Debian is a religion. It's also an operating system. But if you would dare to draw a cartoon of Stefano Zacchiroli (Debian leader) in a compromising situation, prepare to see your house go up in flames.

Sometimes, Debian users are too much involved with their OS. Linux is not a religion. It's just a way to get things done. At least, that's what it was developed for.
 
Old 05-18-2010, 01:51 PM   #22
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It seems that criticising Debian invokes knee-jerk reflexes in some people. I am very glad that impert gets more mileage out of linux that I do; but I don't really want to participate in a macho pissing contest (I said so in my post, if people would read it. I also implied I already uninstalled the social stuff from ubuntu, and that I think I'd find my way around in Debian if it were worth my while. RMFP = read my F---ing post
I did indeed read your post. If you read mine I suggested that there are THOUSANDS of distros to choose from besides Debian and Ubuntu. STOP WHINING and try a different one.

MTK358 said he hated Debian too. Fine. He didn't whine about it in the forum, he tried something different, and found Arch. I like Debian, but also run Slackware, Arch, Ubuntustudio, and Sabayon.

That's one of the nice things about linux: choice. Choice to use a different 'flavor' or make a distribution into exactly what you want. But it won't happen magically because you whine about it.
 
Old 05-18-2010, 02:07 PM   #23
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Now what was that saying again....oh yes:

"Ubuntu,the ancient African word for can't configure Debian".

And as for the 'knee-jerk' reaction to criticizing Debian,start a thread criticizing Slackware and it's package management choices and see the response you get.

As has been pointed out already,find another distro you can cope with.
 
Old 05-18-2010, 10:12 PM   #24
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Now what was that saying again....oh yes:

"Ubuntu,the ancient African word for can't configure Debian".
...
lol that's so funny.

Anyway, you probably already got a conclusion from this thread.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 12:12 AM   #25
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To many users, Debian is a religion. It's also an operating system. But if you would dare to draw a cartoon of Stefano Zacchiroli (Debian leader) in a compromising situation, prepare to see your house go up in flames.

Sometimes, Debian users are too much involved with their OS. Linux is not a religion. It's just a way to get things done. At least, that's what it was developed for.
Quite true.
 
Old 03-07-2011, 02:46 PM   #26
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Re: What's up with Debian

I just saw that this thread is still open. Since I just installed Squeeze and find it okay (though not without bugs), I might as well say some final words and ask the administrators to close the thread. As for bugs, the installer on the live DVD was in black and white instead of red and blue, which meant that highlighted entries disappeared which was confusing. Also it took some nudging to install without bootloader (I installed on an external disk and chrooted grub legacy onto it from Ubuntu). As for the flyspeck fonts, they can be much improved by opening Appearance > Fonts > Details and choosing Subpixel rendering and "slight" hinting (whatever that is). After the install I had no Internet access because the "managed" entry in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf is set to false instead of true by default (a small thing, but it cost me half an hour of Googling which could be better spent). And of course I had to compile vlc (vlc-debian.1.1.7-3.tar.gz from Launchpad, which will actually work after first complaining about libvlc-dev and dependencies which were not in the build-deps), but since I did that in Ubuntu too I don't hold that against Debian.

Installing without root account now works; I get a functional sudo (albeit more restrictive than in Ubuntu - sooner or later I'll want the root account). Also I installed the nonfree firmware because I also have it in Ubuntu (more of it actually), and the Microsoft fonts. And yes, I am using Firefox - Iceweasel would instantly identify me as a Debian user, likely the only Debian user among my provider's IP addresses, which is against all privacy (Yes, I have heard of user agent strings. I am not entering into a discussion about this, I don't want Iceweasel, period).

So when all is said, Debian Squeeze is usable (and a relief from the whirlwind of Ubuntu updates with a new kernel every few weeks), but for a distribution which prides itself on its stability and security, I find it a little rough around the edges (I hear the installer problems are going to be fixed).

In case this thread is actually closed (which it should be), thanks to everybody for participating.
 
Old 03-07-2011, 03:59 PM   #27
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We don't close solved threads here.
 
Old 03-07-2011, 09:15 PM   #28
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Hmmm, I was able to do a Debian installed on an old G3 iMac without much hassle. Though, I do admit I did a netinst using ethernet and added only the programs I needed. I believe Squeeze had just came out as testing, and I still have the machine but hardly use it anymore.
 
Old 03-08-2011, 01:49 AM   #29
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Right now I have Slackware running in a dualboot next to OSX in my Hackintosh PC.
 
Old 03-08-2011, 04:40 PM   #30
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Since I just installed Squeeze and find it okay
Good to hear you're at least partially reconciled to Debian. It's true that its installer is a bit agricultural compared to the luxurious Ubuntu one - but then in theory you only use it once. Fonts and artwork don't seem to be at the top of the Debian people's priorities either, but so what? It's a good, useable distro, and hugely important for Linux generally, and for many people who don't use it.
 
  


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