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Old 01-09-2008, 11:29 AM   #1
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Newsgroup posting software - yEnc and UUencode?


I understand Knewspost is not an active project, is there another Linux newposting software project that has a graphical interface, and will post yEnc or UUencode? Knewspost was not brought forward from KDE 2, and KDE 4 is almost ready for release...

I can post attachments with Knode, but near impossible to post a cd image with that software...

Pan is a good newsreader, but can not post attachments with version 132, or toggle between newsservers, and it will not display gif files as does Knode.

Please might someone point me to a Newsposter with a working GUI...

JR
 
Old 01-10-2008, 08:31 PM   #2
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You may have more luck using the common Windows usenet tools with Wine.
 
Old 01-11-2008, 02:02 AM   #3
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You may have more luck using the common Windows usenet tools with Wine.
I have imposed wine, or crossweaver off limits so I will learn and use Linux applications... I just find it amazing that there is no development or current projects for newsgroups...

Pan is very polished a good newsreader, but it will not post images, or view gif files as the poster intended...

Knode does display most gif images, and it will post images, but it can not decode and combine multi-part files...

Newspost will post attachments but there is no GUI, and I can not seem to make it work...

Seems odd, that there is not a collection of simple or advanced tools for newsgroup use in Linux...

I am new to Linux, and thought there would be a lot of good tools for the Usenet in the Linux arena...

JR
 
Old 01-11-2008, 11:34 AM   #4
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Well, it seems there isn't a huge demand for posting software, your only option may be the CLI app newspost, here are some examples of how to use the newspost, it isn't that complicated:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...9&postcount=13

You can read more by checking out the man page, 'man newspost'
 
Old 01-12-2008, 10:12 AM   #5
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Well, it seems there isn't a huge demand for posting software, your only option may be the CLI app newspost, here are some examples. . .
yeah, that's true. But to me, the reason is not just no huge demand, but the fundamental different between *niX and Window$' philosophy.

Window$' philosophy is everything GUI. For example, You can find over hundreds of renaming tools, from mp3 specify renaming tools to general purpose ones. So if you need to batch rename something, you need first to think, "boy, of the over a hundred renaming tools that I have, which one can help me this time?" For those hard to do requests, you may have to look into the help file of each specific renaming tool, then finally realize that none of them can help you this time.

For me, under *Nix, the CLI rename command never failed me, no matter how bizarre the renaming request might be.

Code:
$ rename
Usage: rename [-v] [-n] [-f] perlexpr [filenames]
OK, enough OT talk and back to newposting software. Again, to me the CLI makes more sense. Using the very same example OP uses -- posting a cd/dvd image, a simple command,

Code:
newspost -q -y -n alt.binaries.test.yenc -s 'big image' the.package.iso.*.rar
is much much more straightforward than launching a GUI and then click, click, click, click, click...

*Edit*:

Moreover, you can use at or cron to schedule
the posting, eg, while you were sleeping. This is trivial to CLI tools, but you will be at the mercy of the GUI tools to give you that feature.

Last edited by xptools; 01-12-2008 at 10:19 AM. Reason: add scheduling.
 
Old 01-12-2008, 02:13 PM   #6
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This really triggered me into thinking mode...

Further OT, most Window$ users will hail to GUI tools that are standalone and all-in-one, and will freak out on seeing a tool that depend on more than three other tools.

Such concept has been deeply embedded in Window$ users mind and never question how bizarre it actually is. This makes me write up something that compares separate yet cooperating niX tools and standalone all-in-one GUI Window$ solution.

This is really OT, and has nothing to do with the posts here.

Last edited by xptools; 01-12-2008 at 02:17 PM.
 
Old 01-12-2008, 08:04 PM   #7
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But to me, the reason is not just no huge demand, but the fundamental different between *niX and Window$' philosophy.

Window$' philosophy is everything GUI.

For me, under *Nix, the CLI rename command never failed me, no matter how bizarre the renaming request might be.

OK, enough OT talk and back to newposting software. Again, to me the CLI makes more sense. Using the very same example OP uses -- posting a cd/dvd image, a simple command,

Code:
newspost -q -y -n alt.binaries.test.yenc -s 'big image' the.package.iso.*.rar
xptools,

I Have a lot of Windows unlearning to do I realizes, but the man page example you posted above does not show me what is going out as a posting, or what the header is that I am using for the posting...

Since I want to use different header information to different newsgroups how do I create a file in newspost that will remember that alt.wallpaper.discussion is one news server and a particular header, and to use a different server & header, when am posting to the alt.gateway newsgroup?...

How do I check my script, before I post? I do not see any method in Newspost to verify, tis easy to see, verify and adjust in a GUI... But since I do not know how to use newspost to check the settings or proof the setting for different servers or newsgroups I am lost...

Or must I use a text editor to save all these tested string settings, then use cut and paste the various strings as I need, for each news server, and/or different newsgroup? Or do I need to verify with a short post in a test newsgroup every time before I post in the newsgroup where I want to post?...

Seems like a lot of work, but I need to learn since Linux apparently has only has a single Usenet posting program...

Also, newspost does not do par2 files it has a par command but that is the older redundancy file type no one uses... What program to use on the images I want to post replacing this out of date feature, then I can make the modern par2 files before using newspost...

Newspost does not make a contact sheet either, what software should I look for to create the picture index sheets that are a requirement or proper Usenet courtesy because dial-up users that read these worldwide newsgroups...

Sorry for rambling, lots of question, but if you can take the time I would certainly appreciate your assistance... Trying to become M$ independent...

JR
 
Old 01-13-2008, 12:14 AM   #8
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Since I want to use different header information to different newsgroups how do I create a file in newspost that will remember that alt.wallpaper.discussion is one news server and a particular header, and to use a different server & header, when am posting to the alt.gateway newsgroup?
Option #1, just as you said, "use a text editor to save all these tested string settings, then use cut and paste the various strings as I need, for each news server, and/or different newsgroup?"

Option #2, create multiple version of .newspostrc files. Then symlink the version you want to $HOME/.newspostrc.

Code:
 ln -sf /path/to/newspostrc.newsserver.newsgroup ~/.newspostrc
 newspost -v -T 10 ...
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do I need to verify with a short post in a test newsgroup every time before I post in the newsgroup where I want to post?
Definitely, that's exactly what alt.binaries.test is for.

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newspost does not do par2 files
Have you read elliott678's helpful article at all? FYI, by the time I learned newspost, there is only man page and alt.binaries.test.

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Newspost does not make a contact sheet either
I guess you didn't read my comparison writing either.
 
Old 02-01-2008, 11:32 PM   #9
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Option #1, just as you said, "use a text editor to save all these tested string settings, then use cut and paste the various strings as I need, for each news server, and/or different newsgroup?"

Option #2, create multiple version of .newspostrc files. Then symlink the version you want to $HOME/.newspostrc.

Code:
 ln -sf /path/to/newspostrc.newsserver.newsgroup ~/.newspostrc
 newspost -v -T 10 ...


Definitely, that's exactly what alt.binaries.test is for.



Have you read elliott678's helpful article at all? FYI, by the time I learned newspost, there is only man page and alt.binaries.test.



I guess you didn't read my comparison writing either.
* * *

XPtools,

Yes I have read what you and elliott678 posted, becoming confused. I have posted to binary newsgoups for many years, always using the format the newsgoup ask, and always stayed on topic... I used a GUI that allowed me to verify and see how the posting were going to appear...

I was able to set up seperate accounts, for the different newsgroup service I use, and it was easy to get the posting started... but not easy to schedule, as I am told Newspost can do...

If I post Linux wallpapers to a wallpaper newsgroup How do i do this in newspost... once I understand how to place the strings in order I can save them in Kwrite, check the test posting (readjust if necessary) and then use that text string again via terminal...

Open terminal:
software name newspost, Newsserver, account, password, posting name, organization, Index, SFV file, par2 files, and the posting subject. The folder location so the program can find the wallpapers to post...

How do i do this, is there a tutoral I can use, I still have no idea how to prepare this string, in what order...

Please have some patience, as I am completely lost, trying to fight the urge to build a windows system and start posting again....

I understand you are very familiar with CLI, I have always used a mouse to get things done, and only seldom typed any commands. I used dictation software to type letters, documents, and e-mail/Instant messenger... found it easier and habit forming...

I have come to Linux to avoid using windows, and I am trying to cope with the differences, but guess I need more assistance than others with my general computer knowledge...

If you can assist me with my failure to understand this software then I will be able to share what I have learned. When I was posting, there were many cries for help, on how to post, unpack, and verify orginal posting in both windows and Linux... Most of the time Linux help never arrived in the newsgroups I have used over the years...

To start with I only want to post 3 images in UUencode to the NG: alt.binaries.wallpaper

Then I want to post the same three with an index and SFV file

Then I would like to post the same three files with the index, SFV, and par2 files...

Then I would like to do this test using three different files using yEnc instead of UUencode...

I have these 3 files in a folder named "Usenet-test" & 3 different ones in Usenet-test2" in my home directory

JR
 
  


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