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MasterC 07-29-2003 04:32 AM

:D ;) No problem, it's a learning experience always. Yeah, shouldn't be a problem at all moving that kernel, just grab all those things mentioned above as well.

As for the terminology, if you check the glossary some of it is exampled there, others can be found on google, and of course you can always just asked for clarification ;)

Cool

Bruce Hill 07-29-2003 05:14 AM

I didn't actually compile a kernel myself, but did the most basic Debian install according to The Very Verbose Debian 3.0 Installation Walkthrough. Only place I deviated was the partitioning. But I believe there are modules, though I can't say for sure. All I've grabbed from apt-get is cdrecord (which doesn't work because my DVD+-RW isn't recognized yet), Mozilla and Evolution. I did add a rc.local script to it, but can do that again easily, as well as grab those few apps, if they disappear.

So, do I need to *grab all those things mentioned above as well* or just let 'em go?

TIA

MasterC 07-29-2003 05:41 AM

You'll still need to grab em. Those are where the modules are kept (likely if that directory exists you've got some modules in it).

You can also check if you have modules loaded already (that'd be a tell tale sign ;) ):
/sbin/lsmod

Cool

Bruce Hill 07-29-2003 06:56 AM

Thanks for the extra heads up!

servant@debian:~$ /sbin/lsmod
Module Size Used by Not tainted
keybdev 1664 0 (unused)
usbkbd 2848 0 (unused)
input 3072 0 [keybdev usbkbd]
usb-uhci 20708 0 (unused)
usbcore 48032 1 [usbkbd usb-uhci]

Bruce Hill 07-29-2003 07:33 AM

Hey, I got it. If copying these things and just putting them in Slack goes that well, maybe I'll try Gentoo also. I got the Gentoo basic 1.4rc4 Live CD sitting right here burned on a pocket CD-R.

Way cool!

Tinkster 07-29-2003 02:46 PM

Re: Thanks Tinkster!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Chinaman
I am in total and complete agreement with your post. Thanks for putting it so succently. I certainly hadn't looked at the load time for progs like that, but it is worthy and correct.
Hi China,

thanks for your appreciation and my apologies
for the late answer, but I need some sleep and
do have a private life besides computers :}

Quote:

You mention in your review of Slackware 8.1 that you didn't like 9.0 because the kernel isn't in there, and you roll your own (if I remember correct). Plus you don't need the new compiler language for what you do. After reading what I want my Linux OS to do, would you say that would apply to me also? I definitely want to roll my own kernel no matter which distro I use.
Well, the Slackware8.1 is a convenience thing :)
Call me lazy! Sooner or later (after most C++ source
has been migrated to comply to ANSI standards, and
thus makes gcc >= 3.X happy) I'll certainly move on,
just can't be bothered for now. If you're willing to learn
a lot you can basically do things like these on any distro,
I just prefer Slack because it leaves all the decisions to
me, and I like to be responsible for my OS (rather than
relying on others to have checked dependencies thoroughly
enough to please me) :} ... a great many of Debian users
are more than content, too, so are Gentoo or LFSers...

Cheers,
Tink

tcaptain 07-29-2003 03:19 PM

I don't see where you all get this slowness, I work with Mandrake mostly, although with Debian I get the same speeds and I get better response time in Linux than I do in Windows in general...although I've got nothing scientific to back it up.

KDE loads slow(ER)...but its like a few seconds...so what?

When you get past the 512Megs 1.2 ghz...so what if it takes 6 seconds as opposed to say 4? I mean really. I could understand if it was like on my p133 where KDE takes like a couple of minutes to load but c'mon :D

And anyways, I use blackbox which speeds things up plenty.

Tinkster 07-29-2003 03:36 PM

tcaptain,

I wasn't complaining :) I'm more than happy
with my Slackware.

All I said is that a load of apps with similar
size and funtionality start faster in win2k
than in slack, which is the trade-in for a
longer boot-sequence... still the fact remains
that OO will load in 14 seconds on a PIV 1.6,
256MB whereas Winword in Win2K is there
instantaneously (<1.5sec) ... not that I use it,
mind you, but I hada chance to test that 16
months ago ;) when I got the machine :D

Cheers,
Tink

tcaptain 07-29-2003 03:48 PM

Hi Tink,

My comment wasn't aimed at you (or anybody actually) :D Personally, your post was quite succinct and cleared up a few things I wondered about.

It was just a general rant about the "slowness" of things...I have a couple of friends on rant on about how slow KDE is (we're talking on P4s with max RAM) when it takes like 2 seconds to load...I just don't get it.

Personally I find linux works, loads and responds better than Windows in 90% of my daily stuff...and its not like I tinkered a whole lot with either OS on some of my machines (I will admit to tinkering a LOT on my laptop to get great performance).

My best compliment was when my dad showed off his new company laptop (a P4 1.8 with 512 megs of ram that would make any techie DROOL...what a waste) with WinXP and he watched me do something on my laptop (a P333 with 192 Megs of RAM) in blackbox and he said "Boy I wish this laptop responded like yours does..."

Tinkster 07-29-2003 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tcaptain
My best compliment was when my dad showed off his new company laptop (a P4 1.8 with 512 megs of ram that would make any techie DROOL...what a waste) with WinXP and he watched me do something on my laptop (a P333 with 192 Megs of RAM) in blackbox and he said "Boy I wish this laptop responded like yours does..."
Heh ... you'd love to see Fluxbox on my
PIV 1.8 notebook with 512 MB then ;)

The other day I installed Slack 8.1 on
a Tosh with a PIV 2.2, 512MB and nVidia
mobile GForce .... <droool> :} ... glxgears
fullscreen @ 1024x768 ... ~ 170 FPS :}

Cheers,
Tink

Bruce Hill 07-29-2003 05:10 PM

Tink, thanks for the reply! The time frame is np. My family suffers sometimes, too, and I'm glad to hear you consider yours. About to compile my first Debian kernel...we'll see how it goes. Thanks for your Slack response...I want to try it, also. From you and MasterC it looks like it's a toss-up between 8.1 and 9.0 depending upon what I want personally. So, maybe I'll toss a coin with 8 on one side and 9 on the other after I get my DVD burner to working, and give it a go! Choices, love those Linux choices! Gotta check out this Fluxbox job also. :D

P.S. Maybe you could translate your sig sometime :confused: Wo kan bu dong!

Tinkster 07-29-2003 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chinaman
Tink, thanks for the reply! The time frame is np. My family suffers sometimes, too, and I'm glad to hear you consider yours.
:}

Quote:

About to compile my first Debian kernel...we'll see how it goes. Thanks for your Slack response...I want to try it, also. From you and MasterC it looks like it's a toss-up between 8.1 and 9.0 depending upon what I want personally. So, maybe I'll toss a coin with 8 on one side and 9 on the other after I get my DVD burner to working, and give it a go! Choices, love those Linux choices! Gotta check out this Fluxbox job also. :D
Yeah ... Linux is almost a synonym to freedom ;}
As for the Slack-versions ... I'm not overly partial
about that. ;)

Quote:

P.S. Maybe you could translate your sig sometime :confused: Wo kan bu dong!
Just copy & paste it into there :)
http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/

Cheers,
Tink

chiatello 07-29-2003 05:28 PM

its that mandrake/redhat install a bunch of "useless" stuff

not to mention, gentoo is compiled from source
theyre much slower than gentoo

Bruce Hill 07-29-2003 05:54 PM

Tinkster,

That's way cool :cool:

Please tell me what to get for PGP. I have to have it where I am and what I do. I've been using it in Windoze, and don't want this to be the one thing that causes me to have to boot into Windoze, or turn around and use my lappy. I actually have GnuPG gnupg-1.2.0.tar.bz2 in my list of goodies here, but the docs were so confusing :confused:

Can I import PGP keys used in Windoze into this program in any way? And does it work with Evolution? No one could give me an answer to that when I posted.

TIA

TTFN - If you don't know Tigger, get a grip! :D

Tinkster 07-30-2003 03:17 PM

Quote:

Please tell me what to get for PGP. I actually have GnuPG gnupg-1.2.0.tar.bz2 in my list of goodies here, but the docs were so confusing

Can I import PGP keys used in Windoze into this program in any way? And does it work with Evolution? No one could give me an answer to that when I posted.
I'm still using 1.0.7 here, and it works great
for me, seamless integration into KMail. As for
the exchange of keys: I think that you can import
PGP keys into GPG, never needed to, though.
As for evolution: again, I don't used it, but I'm sure
someone else here will be able to tell you :)

Cheers,
Tink


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