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Linux on a playstation
I heard that you can run Linux on a Playstation! Is this true, and if it is, then how can I do it?
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Yes, you can. IF you understand Japanese. Sony has (had?) a survey o gauge the interest of the North American market interest. Story on /. last week. Go ye forth and search.
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I lost the link but I once read where some guy hacked the Dreamcast and had it running off Linux with his own modified version of the kernel. Very interesting indeed.
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Actually, PS2 runs Linux natively. What Sony is gauging is whether an special kit they currently sell in Jaan will be worth something here in the states. This kit will include a 40GB hard drive, keyboard, mouse, and maybe a few extras.
If you have ever played with this, then you will most certainly know then that it runs Linux. It is fast, has a flashy command promptwhen loading a game, and to top it off, the windowing enviroment is very good. I plan to buy one when they drop the price down in November. |
I DO UNDERSTAND JAPANESE!
mcleodnine
I in fact DO understand Japanese. Well, a lot of it, anyway. I'm still learning, though. Can write alot of it. Actually, it's pretty easy to learn if you look at speaking differently. The only hard part is that respect language stuff. Have trouble with it! Thanks for the info! *****Colonel Panic***** |
and who says theres no good games for linux...?
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Who said anything about that? Were talking about taking linux, and having it run on a Playstation. I'd just like to experiment!
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welsh is also another hard language to speak
it is also structured differently to english and i am fluent in it i learnt english when i was 6 |
I learnt english when I was about 7-8 (Welsh first language also)
Did you find it really really weird having a Welsh OS? glj |
Linux and Playstation
I caught up with this about a month ago but didn't think anyone would be interested.
Kit provided: DVD-ROM: Linux Installer (Redhat 7 in drag) Playstation 2 Runtime Env. System Manual 40G Hard Disk drive (external) PC Card Slot Connector (You can't use an SCPH-30000) PC Card 100BASE-TX/10BASE-T type connector USB Connecting Keyboard 106 Layout USB Connecting Mouse 3 Button Special (?!) Display Cable ("Sync on Green" compatible display needed) an exorbitant price tag. No immediate plans to release an overseas model. One reason cited was the incompatibility with SCPH-30000. If anyone's _really_ interested I can translate what the dev team said in recent interviews, but frankly for the price tag, you can buy an old pentium and install linux cheaper (32M is notalot to playwith). A good start to learning Japanese is to get a Japanese OS. You can always hexedit programs to display English for some stuff. Unfortunately, the writing system does not extend to logical western language patterns but there are libraries of radicals to ascertain meanings and readings. Much like programming languages. Welsh is a noble language, and one of the oldest. |
I see your from Tokyo. Which district? Have you lived there your whole life? Wanna play 20 questons? (heh heh...) I've ALWAYS wanted to go there, for a couple of reasons. One, it's interesting, the way the culture is. So many people, and yet everyone can get along! (from what I understand, anyway.). Two, I'm an anime nut! I don't know if I'd fit in there, though. Probably go throught a big culture shock. It just looks interesting. I watch the live webcam of Shinjuku alot. Oh yeah, I watch 'toonami' alot. It's a two-hour block of anime. It's all censored, cut up, and killed to be suitable for a five year old little girl, though! I hate americanization! America ruins everything not to the culture! The only thing they don't americanize is 'Iron Chef'. They even subtitle Kaga-san! Anyway, I plan on going there someday. Looks so nice...
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I don't really know about anime. But I know that Studio Ghibli's 'Maju no Takkyubin' has enjoyed a recent surge in popularity and 'Crayon Shinchan' still enjoys saying obscenities to his mother and setting a shining example to Japanese kids everywhere.
I live in Asagaya, an area just left of Tokyo (station) on the map. It's convenient but crowded and noisy. Tokyo is still expensive but it seems less so when you live and work here. I work in Shinjuku. If you can see a DoCoMo Tower that looks like the Empire State (from a distance, with imagination) I work just to the right, on the other side of the station tracks. If I had lived here all my life, I would probably not speak English this well. I theorise that this is also why you might not know of any major Japanese software houses. Culture shock. Japanese people often experience culture shock on returning here, but if you come for less than three weeks, you won't notice it. Japanese people are very trusting, polite and hospitable, and it's a shame that they are often admired but not well liked or trusted. You could always come and find out for youself :) |
Thanks for sharing!
English, eh? I doubt if you would have trouble with it. Speaking, I mean. I wouldn't worry if pronunciation is correct or not. Americans, like myself, tend to not speak proper english ever! (Most of the time it's just a bunch of slang.) Yeah, I guess it's just carefree. It can be looked at in two different ways. It can be appreciated because it's carefree and, well, kind of crazy when you think about it. Then it can be loathed because people seem to be lazy as far as the speech. How many years, if any, of English did you take? Your grammer is VERY good! I hear that Japanese students must learn to read English. If you can speak as good as you write it, you will have NO PROBLEM AT ALL!!! Heh, you might even be too good for an American to understand. I know about Japanese being admired but not trusted. Many American's are prejiduce. I'm not that way, because the way I see it, no one is better than another. People see and hear so many stereotypes, which irritate me. Especially that all Japanese girls/women are easy! COME ON! I don't know for myself, but I seriousely doubt it. Or, that all Japanese would take their life if they mess up on the job; stupid stuff like that. People just don't know any better. It's a shame, though, that people can't, in fact, be more like the Japanese. I think America, or the world, for that matter, would be much better off if we were. I hope we do change. You know, I am going to go to Japan, in about four years! If you still work at the DoCoMo building, I'll have a bunch of my friends stand outside with signs that say "COLONEL PANIC IS HERE TO SEE BERT FROM LINUXQUESTIONS.ORG"... Anyway, it's been my dream to go to Japan for some time now. I'll definately go for sure! Oh, I have a question or two, if you don't mind. I'll put them in right here... Okay, is it REALLY true that many of the Japanese exercise at work? I hear this all the time, but don't know if it is true. And another...: WHAT IS 'JUKU'? I hear it's cram school. Is this true? Yet another: Is their lots of censorship in Japan? That's all... Please don't get upset with all my questions, I'm just curious, because I can't get to Japan for A LONG time. Don't feel obligated to answer, though. Thanks for the reply! :-) *****Colonel Panic***** |
It looks overcast in Shinjuku. Has it been rainy? It Looks that way in Yokohama, too. In case you don't get back to this soon, I'm talking about on Friday, Japanese time. I think it's either noon or around that tiime in Japan right now, as I'm watching the webcam. If I'm facing Shinjuku Alta, which way would I go to get to the DoCoMo building? I can't seem to find it. I am talking about looking straight at it. I can see the tracks. Thanks for putting up with my questions!
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It has been overcast in Shinkjuku but not raining. Only threatening to.
Look southwards. If you can't see a Yahoo! neon signboard anywhere, you won't see the DoCoMo building. Questions: 1. Not many modern companies still do this. Some do though and it's taken quite seriously. They also sometimes clean the offices themselves although personally, I'd need to be offered lifetime employment to do that. (*Joke*) - I really wouldn't want lifetime employment _anywhere_. 2. Juku is a cram school, yes. Kids go there to get into prestigious middle schools, to get into prestigious high schools to get into prestigious Universities to become pen pushers working for the government. Strange but true. Perhaps a dying breed though. 3. Mmm. That old one. Well, what kind of censorship are you talking about? Officially according to the constitution, 'No censorship of any kind shall be upheld'. Will someone complain if you burn a flag here? No, but you might be arrested for creating a fire hazard. If this is an anime - censorship question then well there might be censorship enforced according to artistic guidelines but repression of this kind often breeds counteraction. Which do you find more offensive - portrayal of nakedness or it's censorship? Hey if you can put up with my linuxquestions then I'll put up with your japanquestions ;) |
Hey thats cool
I was thinking about putting a playstation 2 on my car. Now i know i can play mp3s with it i'll definitelly have one in my car. |
'No censorship of any kind shall be upheld'.
JAPAN ROCKS! If I wasn't in America, I'd definately want to be in Japan!!! just one problem: I'd probably be considered VERY RUDE because, well, I have terrible 'respect language'. I wouldn't know when to be formal, informal, or know about all the social status stuff, ect. I hope you know what I mean. You know, on Sesame Street, an American kids shoe, there is a guy named bert on it. :-) As far as the censorship, I don't really mind about naked cartoons--as long as it's not hentai. Hentai is just too weird and perverted for me. But, if it's something that will enhance he anime, then I like it, I guess. Don't get me wrong, or anything, I don't get off by seeing naked anime. I find the censorship deeply offensive. Most censorship that happens in America is totally unnecessary. Like, in Bishojo Senshi Sailor Moon, America tears it to shreds. The pretty much KILL ALL THE JAPANESE CULTURE IN IT! I watch anime so that I can get a glimpse into Japanese culture, not so I can see it destroied and Americanized. Exapmle: Rei NEVER, NOT ONCE, says 'Serena(Usagi in the Japanese version), that's da bomb!' in the Japanese version. It's stuff like this that just makes me mad to no end. I guess what I'm saying is: I HATE CENSORSHIP AND WANT NO PART OF IT AT ALL!!!!!! Sorry to dissappoint you. I WILL put up with lots of Linux questions. Just, I can't answer them, because, well, I kinda know NOTHING AT ALL about Linux. I mean, if you want to ask me about 'what is Linux', or something easy like that, then I'll be glad to respond, but other than that, I don't know too much. Sorry! And also, thanks for putting up with all my questions. I'm just curious about Japan because it looks like one of the greatest places on earth! I tell ya, if I knew all the culture stuff, like respect language, and how to behave in social situations, I'd probably even move there someday, but I don't, so I have to remain in America for a while. I probably speak terrible Japanese, too. Still, I think I can write it pretty good. Do you know of any good websites to learn Japanese? I probably couldn't install and run a Japanese OS because I'd screw up the comptuer! If I had a spare, then I'd do it. But, I don't, so I cant. Thanks! I hope all is good it Tokyo! Oh, got a question, if you don't mind. When did 'Iron Chef' go off the air in Japan? I tried to go to the website, but it was closed. Believe it or not, there are still 'new' episodes comming out in America. Was that show rigged? I mean, was it pre-set, or was it not planned? Thanks. What exactly do you do at the DoCoMo building? I'd like to know :-) Have you ever been to America? ...Um, that's all the questions... THANKS AGAIN! (you'd think I'm getting burned out on all the thanks, but I'm not.) *****Colonel Panic***** |
relating to japanese linux apps
I couldn't help but notice this thread evolving into a conversation around Japan. I have lived in Osaka-fu for about 1 year, studying class Japanese lit at Osaka Gaidai in Mino-shi (in the northern part of the prefecture)...
I use Japanese word processing on a daily basis, currently working as translator/interpreter for a auto parts maker in Georgia. Just recently I've had a growing interest in computers and growing disgust with Micros$ft's make-shift software releases and foul business practices - not to mention the win32 and win2000/NT GUIs have no redeeming aesthetics... Anyhow, I've just gotten into the world of Linux, and after 2 weeks of struggling, I successfully installed Mandrake 8.0 on my new Dell, setting up a multiboot system with WinMe, 2000, and Linux. One of the core reasons I still need Windows is for Japanese and Chinese word processing. Upon installation of Mandrake, I did go ahead and specify Japanese, Chinese and Korean language support in the advanced options dialog. How about wp, though?? Are there any open-source apps for japanese and or chinese word processing. Like I said, I'm new to Linux, only a day in the making, actually. If you guys know any software I could use, please let me know.... Onegai-shimasu. |
What's up guys? I just started following this thread and wanted to add my 2 cents about Japanese culture and ppl. I love you guys! I know virtually nothing save the amount I've been able to pull from my study of martial arts and some History, and what my friends have been to Japan tell me. Still I am impressed with the people in general and wish that America had more of your culture. I love Anime also, but being from a big hick town, haven't gotten much exposure to it.
Best wishes with Linux. It is the bomb OS and a great learning aid; tinkering with Linux has shown me more about computers than I have ever learned in Windoze, simple becuase windows assumes you are a dumb user and masks the complexities. Linux forces you to think and learn, something I value. Anyway, take care. |
Japanese language on Linux
OK, sloptaco you need kon (kanji console) which gives you a Japanese language command line. This comes with what's called a kanji henkoh shisutemu, much like the one from them. From kon you can run emacs or gedit from this console. I think it's available from the Red Hat ftp site because I'm running RH7J using it.
I might not be able to help you much with setting it up but the installation guide should be in English. Personally, I retain Windo$e to run a few games which wine won't run (yet) and because the rest of Japan doesn't necessarily speak Linux (it's a cross we have to bear). Colonel - Sorry for not getting back. I don't watch much TV, so I'm not sure about iron chef. I used to be called cubed on this site but a glitch in the Redhat 7.1 installer made the upgrade crash not before writing my partitions and erasing all trace of an operating system! These things are set to test us. I chose the name Bert precisely because of the character in Sesame Street - you rumbled me.:D |
Hey Bert:
Haven't been able to get on here a while. Anyway, you might not remember 'Iron Chef', because from what I understand, it was on TV in Japan a LONG time ago (six years, I believe...). Still, I'm excited about it. In fact, it's comming on in a couple hours on "Food Network" ^_^ I'll find an Iron Chef webpage and post it, so you might get your memory refreshed. Sorry about your partitions getting erased! *****Colonel Panic***** |
Sorry for taking SO long! Anyway, maybe you didn't remember because of a 'bad' translation. Does 'Ryori no tetsujin' ring a bell? Roughly translated into English, it means 'cooking iron man' (but I know you knew that because your a translator. You have great English, from what I can tell!)
Sorrry for taking so long. If you want to see 'Iron Chef', go to the following website: http://www.ironchef.com I hope this sparks a memory! *****Colonel Panic***** |
Oh, and it's in English. I hope that's not a problem!
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kanji on Dreamcast?
I heard there was some sort of bootlegged accessory which one could attach to the Dreamcast to convert romanized characters to various kanji...as far as I'm concerned, it soulds like the most blatant total nonsense, but I'm wondering if it has roots in anything truthful, since it's a rumor I've heard from quite a few people.
As for my 2 cents...I can't stand Tokyo. Crowded, superpaved, and an overt focus on 2-second pop culture which I can't abide. My father's family reside on the outskirts of Sapporo, which I love. I'm very fond of Hokkaido in general, despite the climate. |
Are you from Japan? Always wanted to go there...looks so nice.
Don't know about that Kanji stuff. Someone had to put A LOT of time and effort into doing it, if it exists. I don't think it exists, for the sole purpose of how much work it would require. *****Colonel Panic***** |
Hello Sancho5,
I do agree with you in one respect.. Linux does show you how and why a computer works. But I dont always agree that it is a good thing. For example, do you really think some little old lady around 65 or so really cares about why a computer works? No, they want to jump on, and have it do most everything. I am somewhat the same way, while I am much MUCH younger than that, Linux is awesome, dont get me wrong. BUT, it is somewhat tedious at times, and is not always pleasent unless I am out to learn something. Otherwise it is simply fustrating. |
Yeah, true. I agree with you in that respect; Linux has it's place, and not everyone would want it. But at the same time, this 65 year old lady is going to have a lot of the same problems using Windoze. After the installation, what is different between the two OSes? You can boot to a GUI, and double click the programs that you want to use, email, chat, browser, etc.
I think what it comes down to is whether people want to put forth effort to learn something. Windows tries to give the impression that you can use the OS without knowing anything about computers, like AOL - It's so easy, no wonder it's number one! The problem is, you can only mask things for so long, and then the false sense of security that folks have fades - what do you do when the OS breaks (which Windows inevitably does?) You panic, and you either pay 100 dollars for a tech to fix it, or you get on the internet, look up the answer, and do it yourself. Same with anything in life. You own a car, you better learn how to drive it, or you'll have problems. When it breaks, do you automatically send it to the shop, or do you figure out what it is? I think Linux is an OS that anyone *can* learn to use, if they want to put a little effort into learning it. This goes for Windows too; you're undoubtably going to have to learn things to get windows running right, and use your appz. The difference is, Linux is much more rewarding to learn than windows, as well as much more rewarding to use. Not to mention it's free. |
OMG! this thread has got to b the funniest off-subject job I've seen lol
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Re: Linux and Playstation
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Thanks for putting up with the questions. Fortunately for me, I can now watch some Japanese TV shows because of a San Fransisco TV station. Do you know of any good Japanese Linux distros out there? I was thinking about LASER5, (I think it's called that...), but am not sure. Also, how would I hexedit it so that it will display the english text? I don't care about the sentance structure, because I like the Japanese sentance structure better than the English structure! If I was to hexedit it, what will happen to the particles? subject_object_verb is my way to go. Thanks! Oh, and I can put up with some Linux questions now. I'm not a :newbie: anymore! (I hope!) *****Colonel Panic***** |
linux on psx or linux on ps2
For information about linux on the ps2, check out:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...59&mode=thread For information about linux on the psx, check out: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...56&mode=thread |
boku no neko wa oishii desu yo!
heh heh... *****Colonel Panic***** |
Sorry, I moved house.
Hello, Colonel Panic.
Sorry I was away - I moved to the UK to study for an MSc in Computing. Err, Japanese linux distros. Holon Linux was one. There were a few others but I can't remember their names. The linux article, I'll dig it out. What they said kind of lacked substance apart from saying this is linux on the playstation, no we won't sell it abroad, yes it is expensive and in answer to whether we have plans to sell it abroad, well maybe. Hexediting. Have a look at the book Windows ME Annoyances by oreilly. They can explain it better than me. Are you really eating your cat? |
WOW, IT'S BERT! Good to hear from you again!
My cat? Oh, I finished him the other day. I've got some leftovers. Want some? Their TASTY! No, really, I'd never eat a cat. So, are you ever planning on going back to Japan, or are you staying in the UK for a while? Thanks for responding. I appreciate you going through the trouble to get the article. I hope you like the UK. *****Colonel Panic***** |
Sorry, Colonel Panic
I'm soo unreliable.
I left the article in Japan, so I can't translate it. I'm sorry. But from what I heard recently, the articles been superceeded - they're dipping their toes in the European market to see if there are takers here. Again, if the kit is sold as parts, they have a hope but as a unit? At that price mebbe not. I'm staying in the UK until the University give me a piece of paper and a silly hat (maybe a year or so). |
Linux coming to PS2 in USA
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as cool as it is... the linux on playstation thing baffles me. it great that x-windows runs on ps2... but i'd rather see ps2 running on x-windows. ;)
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It is a novelty.
I'd have to agree that it would be a novelty, but if app conversions manage to flourish it would be neat. Just imagine throwing your CDR of MP3s from your music collection into it to listen to while you cook, or clean, or whatever instead of having to buy a separate mp3 playing component.
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Re: Sorry, Colonel Panic
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I started this thread because I just thought it would be interesting to run Linux on a Playstation. Probably just do it to be doing it, if you know what I mean. You know, just to say "Hey, I have my Playstation running Linux." Haven't been up here for a while. I dissappeared. I'm back, though. Hey, don't worry about the article. I forget all the time! Forgot what I ate for dinner last night (and I'm dead serious!) Everyone makes mistakes; nobody is perfect. Good luck to you! To be honest, I don't really know if the unit or kit would do good over here. Maybe if they were running windoze, there'd be a market (as _SAD_ as that sounds.) Just picture 3000 PS2's running an Apache server! businesses would be buying up the PS2's just so that they could have cheap computers. And before you know it, there'd be extra RAM that one could buy for it. I'm pretty sure if it caught on, the computer market would be gone. It'd all be PS2! I'm dreaming... *****Colonel Panic***** |
Hey Colonel!
That article's been superceeded anyway. I'm sure we haven't heard the last of the playstation on Linux thing so your thread was timely. I think the kit comes with an extra hard disk which could be why the price tag is high. On the subject of Japanese and linux, does anyone knows the answer to this one ? The PS2 costs around GBP200 over here. It's cheaper in Japan I think though. Is that signature in Japanese Colonel? |
Yes, it's Japanese. Does it look like bakeru on your browser? It's those stupid English browsers!!! Can't handle Japanese fonts.
It says "boku no neko wa oishii desu yo." You already know what it means! I have the same signature on another forum, and everyone thinks it's a "Stargate" address because they see the bakeru! Weird. Yes, another hard disk would make the price larger. Although I can't imagine ANYTHING being cheaper in Japan:D I don't know the answer to your other question. Sorry! I feel bad because nobody knows the answer to it!;) I think my Japanese is improving. I'm actually taking a class online. You know, making the PS2 run Linux doesn't sound too hard. All one would need is hardware specs and a way for the PS2 to recognize the drive. You'd also probably have to write some drivers. You'd have to be a skilled hacker. *****Colonel Panic***** |
Ah yes, I see it now ...
I turned on the Japanese fontset in my other system.
Hey Colonel, I think Sony sells a 20GB drive with the PS2 for the purpose of using Linux. You'd be surprised at how cheap Japan can be for some things. A java-enabled internet browser - get this - on your telephone costs less than 5000 yen (maybe 50 dollars?). A bottle of scotch whicky is cheaper in Japan than Scotland. It's easy to get mislead by the hype. I am lamenting the lack of comprehensive support for Japanese in Linux :( .Windows does the whole foreign languages thing so well and I can get it to work but only just. I'm looking into it, but I think you misunderstood something about me - I'm not Japanese, I'm British, and over here there's not much to go on when it comes to Japanese assistance. Sure, I speak Japanese and I'm comfortable with the language but mastery takes time and dedication. You don't need any super intelligence (always handy though) but dedication is important. I'm not a skilled hacker and although I like the idea of writing drivers in C for linux, I probably won't have the time now, as I'm too involved with a Japanese institute on optimalisation software, called Lyee . |
Ah!
So, you're British! Well, I feel dumb!!! Remember kids:
**COLONEL PANIC IS A VERY CONFUSED GUY!!** Ahh, I misread it. I don't know too much, do I?:) An error on my part. Now I have to go sit in bed all day, cry, eat BonBons, and watch made-for-tv movies all day:cry: !!!!!!!!! Heh heh. Ahh, I'm going to cry now! :cry: Here comes the tears... **AHH AHH *cough* ...HAA** ばかですね。:rolleyes: As far as the language goes, I'm not worried about it being hard. Just knowing what to say, when to say it, when to be polite, and not being the "Stupid Gaijin" around the Japanese is what I'm worried about. Also, I think my accent sounds TERRIBLE!!! When you speak Japanese, do you have to think about it? Or is it just natural to you? Allright, I'm going now. I think I've said enough ;) bye! *****Hmm... this ones hard...***** |
Don't be so hard on yerself.
Most Japanese people are simply amazed if you even attemot to speak the language. Don't worry about the accent, most Japanese accents in English can be tricky too. Like any language, you really need to go to the contry to see how it is used, to see the context of the language. The Japanese yen is getting cheaper all the time so relative prices will drop further. Basically it will be cheaper to go there in the future. If recent airfares are anything to go by, now isn't a bad time to travel too. Hotels are a bit pricey, food and drink is cheaper than UK but not as cheap as US. I quite like being the stupid gaijin in Japan :D Bert |
Bahh!!! I was confused. Heh heh...SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE SET ME IN MY PLACE SOONER!!! Now everyone can see how dumb of a mistake it was. Oh well, as part of the Inner Partys slogan goes, "Ignorance is Strength". Ever read 1984?
WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANGE IS STRENGTH And once you understand the principles of Ingsoc and Doublethink, it is all so clear:D Mwa ha ha!!! :tisk: ..... .... .... Ahh, I've had enough. I'm going to do something else. Thanks for talking with me, though. NOW... *****Colonel Panic***** |
colonel, i've always secretly suspected that you're actually five different people posting on the same account. assuming i'm wrong, have you ever been diagnosed with multiple personalities? (you're the only person i've ever seen who's used four different smilies in the same post)
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ha!
Nah, I don't have multiple personalities. And I wouldn't let anyone post with my account! I'm just confused, and when I read, I tend to ignore words, or comprehend something different. For example, Bert said "If I have lived here all my life, I probably wouldn't write as good as I do". Ahh, he said something like that. Well, I overlooked "IF", and pretty much ignored "I probably wouldn't write as good as I do".
:) :( ;) :p :mad: :confused: *****Colonel Panic***** |
No. This is my fault entirely. I could have spellt it out but I didn't because (to be honest) I was confused (and selfishly fascinated)by the idea that someone might assume I was Japanese based on the fact that I was living in Japan.
I lazily and *wrongly* didn't correct the perception, but to be honest I didn't think it was a big deal. The first Japanese dictionary I ever got was at a bookshop in Oxford about 17 years ago. It was cheap, second hand and kind of tatty, but it had a handwritten message in (presumably to the for whom it was a gift): "In learning there is no right or wrong. Only knowledge has precedence." |
Nah, it isn't your fault. I didn't read correctly, that's all. Ignorance is the biggest mistake.
As I read the previous posts, I laugh at it now! Oh, we're all human!!! :D |
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