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Old 05-15-2006, 06:56 AM   #46
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Now, now, let's not go off on MS's business practices. It's business.
Right, so illegal/immoral behaviour is OK as long as you make a profit?

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I think what you guys are missing is the familiarity factor. When (the majority of) kid's go to school, they're using Windows computers. Every computer you see at Best Buy or Circuit City has a "Made for Windows XP" sticker on it. Why? Because Windows has already established itself as simple to use for even the dumbest users.
Since when did Windows "establish" itself? Microsoft bought their position, they didn't establish anything. But we digress.

The question is, why are children using Windows at school? Why are your taxes being given to Microsoft when free alternatives are available? Why is Windows preinstalled on everything? Why are you tolerating this? Are you sheep? These are the issues, not how much effort is required to use any given OS.

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They just want it to work. Thryre lazy.
Yeah, and I "just" want to be able to run a four minute mile. But I can't "just" do that, so I train every day (nearly). If people can't be bothered to make a little effort, why should Linux/anyone make any effort to help them?

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Lets be honest, until Linux, or any Unix based OS is SO stable on the desktop that it never crashes or has compatability issues, they won't win the Desktop war.
No desktop OS will _never_ crash. As long as human beings write software, there will always be bugs.

Linux doesn't have compatibility issues. It is hardware manufacturers who have compatibility issues with Linux.
If you want your stuff to work with Linux, TELL THE MANUFACTURER.

Last edited by ioerror; 05-15-2006 at 06:57 AM.
 
Old 05-15-2006, 08:30 AM   #47
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streaming video

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Originally Posted by fair_is_fair
http://www.infotecbusinesssystems.com/wildlife/
This is a very interesting webcam viewing baby eagles not so far from me.
I,simply, installed the proper codecs via synaptic and the mplayer plugin for Mozilla.
It's interesting seeing wildlife. KPlayer is good for viewing in fullscreen mode.
 
Old 05-15-2006, 10:24 PM   #48
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Old Fogie, in post # 30 I made some suggestions for viewing streaming video on Linux. Did you see that post? If not, reread it and give the suggestions a try -- which basically is to install KPlayer, and you should fine. Lemme know if it works.
Hi, actually I did miss your post there.

The problem for me and for Linux in my opinion is that a site like yahoo.com uses javascript to detect your installed media player and bandwith. You can only use Windows.

But so many sites are using active x controls, java etc and they simply do not work in linux for me.

It's very frustrating.

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Old 05-15-2006, 11:02 PM   #49
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If linux was dominant in the OS world, would Windows be ready for the desktop?

It isn't that linux isn't ready, it is that linux doesn't (and I hope it never does) run like Windows. People know Windows and, for that reason, it is the gauge of 'ready' and 'not-quite'. It will never be ready until it is the norm.

Oh...and there is no convenient way to tie mapped device names to their identity...that can make things difficult as SCSI devices grow in use...how many of your moms know the difference between /dev/hdd1 and /dev/sdd1? Windows doesn't take any active participation to perform (like crap), while Linux requires an active role in maintaining and upgrading, which is due primarily to the above observation regarding dominance. Anyway, I hope linux doesn't go mainstream for quite some time.
 
Old 05-16-2006, 12:13 AM   #50
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48: I myself had real problems with streaming media. Sites like ifilm.com gave me huge problems. I more or less have overcome these, though. You can get the java runtime environment (jre) from the Sun Java Site. After installing this, make sure you have the mplayerplug-in installed on your system, and that you have realplayer 10 for Linux on your system. Then, for most things, you should be good to go.

Note: the mplayerplug-in is in addition to mplayer. Having mplayer alone is not good enough for viewing streaming videos. You also need the plug-in. It's highly recommended to install the java runtime environment from Sun too.

Good luck.

PS, if any of the links above are incorrect, try https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/plugins/, which is a general info page with similar links to stuff.

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Old 05-16-2006, 12:43 AM   #51
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48: I myself had real problems with streaming media. Sites like ifilm.com gave me huge problems. I more or less have overcome these, though. You can get the java runtime environment (jre) from the Sun Java Site. After installing this, make sure you have the mplayerplug-in installed on your system, and that you have realplayer 10 for Linux on your system. Then, for most things, you should be good to go.

Note: the mplayerplug-in is in addition to mplayer. Having mplayer alone is not good enough for viewing streaming videos. You also need the plug-in. It's highly recommended to install the java runtime environment from Sun too.

Good luck.

PS, if any of the links above are incorrect, try https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/plugins/, which is a general info page with similar links to stuff.

You know the java thing could really be my problem.

I wonder if I have to use Opera to get my streaming working?!?!

You may be on to something there.

Tho the opera browser doesnt allow me to log in to these forums ahhahaha, one step forward and two back.

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Old 05-16-2006, 07:34 AM   #52
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Windows is not ready for some desktop. My mother's desktop runs linux, because she can't reboot and check spywares and reinstall and enter a 20 digit key for reinstalling and then reinstalling all the softwares and enter keys again. There I got tired of having to do everything for her, so I gave her Mandriva and she installed herself and it works now and in the future, it will work too. She was surprised that she could actually install an OS herself. And she can use it without rebooting every 2 hours (she actually never reboot). She just uses it. Windows was not ready for her desktop. I doubt Vista will be ready either. It still has a long way to go, starting by providing quality software and upgrade without having to go to the shop and enter a 20 digit key and click next 10 times and activating the product online. Windows will always be a geek/toy OS for those who like eye candy adverts.

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Old 05-16-2006, 07:57 AM   #53
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True on windows not being ready. I've had to reinstall my MIL's system a couple times, my wife's a few times and I know they couldn't do it. Windows installs also take pretty much a day by the time you install all the OS, drivers, updates, etc I bought a new drive for me laptop and installed slackware on it then went and updated kde and open office and firefox and such and was done in a couple hours.
 
Old 05-16-2006, 08:06 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by mrclisdue
Linux for home requires a 'slightly' more tech-savvy installation, but once it's up and running, it's transparent vs the windows' os.
A short guide to installing SimplyMepis
1) Boot up the live cd. Like what you see?
2) Choose install to hard drive
3) next,next,next
4) reboot
5) Disable services you don't need, just like in windows.
6) enjoy

Not to tough. Of course this assumes linux friendly hardware (always the rub). Honestly for me it was that simple.
 
Old 05-17-2006, 09:06 PM   #55
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Ubuntu (ohhh how I loathe Ubuntu) is the only distro thats really made an attempt to compete with the Windows and Mac desktops. Stuff just works. Though, they install more useless crap than Windows does, its still a functional system right after the install. Then it crashes, all goes to hell, and the users end up on a forum. We've got sound issues, video issues, network issues, all kinds of issues, ands whats keeping nix from being truly competitive on the desktop.
I wouldn't say 'compete' because they have nothing to win, except more work.
I just installed ubuntu yesterday just for fun, and I was pleasently suprised that I was able to set up the system exactly the way I have it in suse (compiling tools, media support, digital audio workstation, and streaming video (never had any problem with that)) In less than an hour including installation. What is bad about that. And there is nothing that keeps you from configuring Ubuntu any way you want later on.
I want the system to do stuff for me, if it's simple crap like setting up a package management program with the repositories I need, or install programs without manually resolving package dependencies and conflicts. But could you point out one thing that is bad about ubuntu apart from it being really easy to actually do stuff on it?
 
Old 05-18-2006, 12:39 AM   #56
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I think the question is what is "is" for ready for desktop.

More like for who's desktop, home user, business, engineer, gov't.

I'm really liking it....but I can't stream media and java is all goofy for me.

Java works in Opera for me only, not Firefox.

I just downloaded and put SUSE 10.1 GM on a buddies PC, no flash, and I can't stream anything on this. How are you guys streaming on this? We did full default install.

I can't stream anything in Slackware, SUSE 10.0, Mepis (from Janaury ISO -non ubuntu).

Does new Mepis or Ubuntu stream anything from http://news.yahoo.com/ and http://weather.yahoo.com/ ? Can one of you guys confirm this for me and let me know which distro you are using please?

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Old 05-18-2006, 07:45 AM   #57
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The weather one worked fine, but the news one did not work on my system. I use Debian Sarge, with add-ons from Christian Marillat's repository.

The news.yahoo.com basically connects to CNN, and other news, via some crappy flash set up. For instance, it had a video from CNN on NSA dialing for secrets, on crappy Yahoo site. The CNN site had the exact same video, that being NSA dialing for secrets, from CNN. The crappy Yahoo flash set up did not work, but the CNN site works fine on my system, and I imagine it works fine on your's too. So, bypass Yahoo, and go straight to CNN (or preferably CBC, but that's just my own bias)

Later edit: I think the Yahoo news site requires Flash player version 8, for which, as far as I know, there is no such thing for Linux yet (the latest Flash player for Linux is version 7, I think).

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Old 05-18-2006, 09:26 AM   #58
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in suse, you have to manually add repositories and install the codecs. For streaming video you can use the mplayer-plugin, kaffeine(xine) - pluging, helix plugin or the realplayer plugin which even exists as distribution independent binary.

for suse
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/178/42/

for ubuntu
https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu

realplayer
http://www.real.com/linux/

How much easier could it be?

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Old 05-18-2006, 10:17 AM   #59
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just to add to post # 58:

For Debian Sarge:
Code:
user@debian:~$ su
Password: *********
debian:/home/user# nano /etc/apt/sources.list
The sources.list will now open for editing. Add the following repository to it:
Code:
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main
Now save your sources.list and exit nano (Ctrl X), and in the terminal, run
Code:
debian:/home/user# apt-get update
debian:/home/user# apt-get install realplayer mozilla-mplayer w32codecs flashplayer-mozilla
Lastly, to get java, you can add the following to your sources.list:
Code:
deb http://debian.sipo.nl sarge all
deb-src http://debian.sipo.nl sarge all
This has premade runtime environments from java-package of sun-j2re1.5 (update 4) on it (and sdk, if you prefer).

You can, however, make it yourself using java-package (this is a good thing to do, because you get the latest.) See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 for details (note, it was written back when update 3 was current. It's now update 6, I think) Many distros come with Blackdown 1.4 java, which isn't as good.

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Old 05-21-2006, 01:18 AM   #60
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I started a detailed poll on which OS is currently the best for newbies. I wrote what I believe the average newbie's skills are, what their resources are, and what they're possibly looking for. Please have a look. I think you'll find it interesting. It's at this thread here.
 
  


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