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Old 02-24-2013, 08:39 PM   #1
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Linus Torvalds in NSFW Red Hat rant


Linus Torvalds in NSFW Red Hat rant

X.509 dispute turns XXX as Torvalds says Red Hat wants kinky fun with Redmond

from: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02...torvalds_rant/

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Linux overlord Linus Torvalds has again vented his spleen online, taking on Red Hat employee David Howells with a series of expletive-laden posts on the topic of X.509 public key management standard.
Here is the original thread:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/2/21/196

The issues seem to involve Microsoft signing Red Hat kernel modules for the purposes of UEFI...
 
Old 02-24-2013, 10:48 PM   #2
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Interesting read, I tend to agree that we shouldn't be going out of our way to suck up to MS but I see no need to discuss it in that manner.
 
Old 02-25-2013, 10:44 AM   #3
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I wonder how long he'd last on LQ before he was banned? I was banned once for using a very mild insult.
 
Old 02-25-2013, 11:19 AM   #4
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Yeah, he would last maybe an hour. j/k

I'm just glad he speaks his mind. I couldn't think of a better leader for such a project.

I don't think that this kind of language should be censored, but it should be used with a bit of tact. He does that, so I think it's good. Now, if he does this in everything he says, that's different, but he doesn't do that.
 
Old 02-25-2013, 09:38 PM   #5
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I don't think that this kind of language should be censored, but it should be used with a bit of tact. He does that, so I think it's good. Now, if he does this in everything he says, that's different, but he doesn't do that.
I don't think there is any excuse for it myself. A person asked a question and he went off his rocker, if being polite to someone is censorship then there is a problem. Sure speak your mind, I certainly do, but at least keep your composure when doing so.

Linus is actually known for going off on rants
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02...torvalds_rant/
http://readwrite.com/2012/06/18/linu...-hardware-woes
https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorval...ts/1vyfmNCYpi5
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTAyNDA
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.v...43/focus=57918

These are just a selection, quite frankly if he can't say something without getting personal then he has a bit of a problem. Yes he has done a great job with the kernel but nothing gives him the right to treat people the way he does.
 
Old 02-25-2013, 10:11 PM   #6
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while i have my mixed feelings about what MS has done with secure boot, IMHO its a blatant rip off of the customer as MS is trying to claim ownership of peoples HARDWARE, but I am glad for organizations like RedHat and others who are making it easy for those of us who wish to NOT use MS and their illegal stealing of the ownership of our hardware to do so.
 
Old 02-26-2013, 10:09 AM   #7
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With it's monopoly power, Microsoft forces machine makers to have Secure UEFI in the BIOS for Windows 8.

And they force all open source vendors to get a Microsoft signature in order to boot under Secure UEFI.

(Microsoft is so good at handling signatures...)

This change makes it harder to "dual" boot Linux/BSD/etc with Secure UEFI turned on.

Users are already bricking brand new laptops when trying to boot Linux:

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...s-1793958.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/20278...ptops-too.html

This is one more reason for new users to stay away from Linux/BSD/etc.

Linux should never have to depend on Microsoft in order to boot up a system.

This is bad for Linux.

(If I owned one of those laptops I would be swearing more than Linus Torvalds right now...)
 
Old 02-26-2013, 12:44 PM   #8
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LOL, Linus is hilarious with his rants. I give him props for having balls and speaking out when someone pisses him off. People can disagree with me all they want, but if you don't want people to step on you, sometimes you have to be a jackass.
 
Old 02-26-2013, 03:13 PM   #9
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I agree... Linus created Linux, not Red Hat. Red Hat just wants to overexert themselves and just become another Microsoft and control everything. It's about time someone put them in their place and show them for what they really are.
 
Old 02-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #10
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while i have my mixed feelings about what MS has done with secure boot, IMHO its a blatant rip off of the customer as MS is trying to claim ownership of peoples HARDWARE, but I am glad for organizations like RedHat and others who are making it easy for those of us who wish to NOT use MS and their illegal stealing of the ownership of our hardware to do so.
The problem is bigger and goes a lot deeper than you think, (Linus T. is probably frustrated, and it is probably an effect of the problem).
Now i would like to point this issue: "their illegal stealing of the ownership of our hardware" , now if you think it is a new thing, add to it SOPA, PIPA, etc, etc, they are building fences with spikes, but who?
If you want to know what is all this about, and other things that goes against our freedom read this:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBr...ith_Rothschild
I will rephrase what lleb said: "their illegal stealing of the ownership of our lifes" , do you really think you are free?
"None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe
Just don't buy that kind of hardware. We do have other choices yes? Well if not then we are enslaved already. If so read more:
http://www.iamthewitness.com

Regards
 
Old 02-26-2013, 04:05 PM   #11
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Please, people, before ranting get your facts straight. Microsoft is not stealing your hardware, in fact any x86(_64) hardware that is Windows 8 Logo certified must have the options to disable Secure Boot and to add and remove keys to the databases at the user's will, so they are actively enabling the owner of the hardware to have total control.

It is that simple: You have a problem with Secure Boot or just don't have a need for it? Then just disable it, you have that possibility if you look out that you are buying Window 8 Logo certified hardware, but you may lack that possibility if you don't.
 
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:12 PM   #12
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Please, people, before ranting get your facts straight. Microsoft is not stealing your hardware, in fact any x86(_64) hardware that is Windows 8 Logo certified must have the options to disable Secure Boot and to add and remove keys to the databases at the user's will, so they are actively enabling the owner of the hardware to have total control.

It is that simple: You have a problem with Secure Boot or just don't have a need for it? Then just disable it, you have that possibility if you look out that you are buying Window 8 Logo certified hardware, but you may lack that possibility if you don't.
you are correct to a point, but unless you are far more skilled then i dare say 95% of the posters in this forum and around the world you will not be able to generate your own key to get past secure boot.

this is exactly what MS has been attempting since the beta release of winXP when MS tried to create a LEASE for the OS instead of a license. it is the same jacked up mess.

no different then what MS is doing with its Office suite. all new MS Office effective this year will be tied to one hardware install and is NOT transferable to other hardware ever. this includes upgrades to that computer. so buy a PC put MS Office on it, 6mo-2yr later you have to replace the video card or the mother board for what ever reason, your license for MS Office is null and void.

Bad things happen when major corps. take it upon themselves to remove your rights to CHOOSE what you want to do with the hardware you purchased. Again the day MS starts paying for my hardware is the day I will allow them to tell me what I can and can not do with my hardware.
 
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:40 PM   #13
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you are correct to a point, but unless you are far more skilled then i dare say 95% of the posters in this forum and around the world you will not be able to generate your own key to get past secure boot.
Then just disable it, shouldn't be harder than changing the boot order or something similar.

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this is exactly what MS has been attempting since the beta release of winXP when MS tried to create a LEASE for the OS instead of a license. it is the same jacked up mess.

no different then what MS is doing with its Office suite. all new MS Office effective this year will be tied to one hardware install and is NOT transferable to other hardware ever. this includes upgrades to that computer. so buy a PC put MS Office on it, 6mo-2yr later you have to replace the video card or the mother board for what ever reason, your license for MS Office is null and void.
We are the customers. Don't agree with their licensing? Don't buy it. Vote with your feet. Support LibreOffice/OpenOffice/whatever with getting better support for Office Open XML (aka ECMA-376, ISO/IEC 29500, docx) formats (or the respective formats Excel, PowerPoint and whatnot use), so that Microsoft's Office can be replaced with open solutions. I would bet 99% of home users don't need the advanced features of Microsoft Office anyways and would be fine with the open counterparts.

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Bad things happen when major corps. take it upon themselves to remove your rights to CHOOSE what you want to do with the hardware you purchased. Again the day MS starts paying for my hardware is the day I will allow them to tell me what I can and can not do with my hardware.
If you don't trust them don't purchase a license for their software. If you don't trust their license habits, why would you trust their software?
 
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while I as an individual do not trust them, nor do I invest in their Licenses, sadly that is not the case in the real world. MS still accounts for the vast majority of computers in the world. If you wish to make money in Computers you MUST deal with MS. Like it or not. the pure Linux jobs are far and few between and are primarily reserved for folks who have been doing it for years. the rest of us well we are stuck being forced, yes forced, to deal with MS by no choice of our own.

not only can you cast your vote so to speak with your own money, but you can also help spread the word. the more people who learn the truth about MS and their actions will help to open their eyes and minds to other options.
 
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while I as an individual do not trust them, nor do I invest in their Licenses, sadly that is not the case in the real world. MS still accounts for the vast majority of computers in the world. If you wish to make money in Computers you MUST deal with MS. Like it or not. the pure Linux jobs are far and few between and are primarily reserved for folks who have been doing it for years. the rest of us well we are stuck being forced, yes forced, to deal with MS by no choice of our own.

not only can you cast your vote so to speak with your own money, but you can also help spread the word. the more people who learn the truth about MS and their actions will help to open their eyes and minds to other options.
Agreed. Sadly, the loudest people in the open source (and especially Linux) community are those that try to spread the word are those with a "Microsucks is Evil !!!!1111!!! Winblows must die111 !!!!!!" mindset, repeating things they have read on FUD spreading blogs, not those people that inform themselves and can argue their opinions based on facts.
IMHO, those people are more harmful than doing good for the case, but I think there is not much we can do about that, besides maybe explaining factual errors in their arguments and pointing out the real facts. Only problem here is that those people usually are resistant to learn the facts and sometimes begin to outright lie and calling reasonable people "Microsoft moles" or "Traitors" when they are proven to be wrong by those people.
Luckily, this rarely happens on LQ, but just have a look at the well known Linux forum with a name beginning with a P and you can see what I mean.
 
  


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