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Old 06-21-2006, 09:32 AM   #1
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Java Application Server and Studio Creator


I just bought a Dell Poweredge and installed SuSE 9.3 on it. My intention is to move my three small websites from IIS to Java Application Server, and start using Studio Creator for some serious web development.

Has anyone worked with these two applications? Can the application server even be used for standard web sites?
 
Old 06-21-2006, 03:41 PM   #2
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you probably could use both of those just fine, but why not go with the more popular (and more thoroughly tested) combo of Tomcat and Eclipse?
 
Old 06-22-2006, 07:57 AM   #3
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you probably could use both of those just fine, but why not go with the more popular (and more thoroughly tested) combo of Tomcat and Eclipse?
Because I've never heard of it? I use tomcat for webservices, of course. But can you use tomcat to run websites and replace apache? People are very unclear on this.

I was going with Java Studio Creator because I want something as comprehensive as .NET and Visual Studio as I can get in the linux world.

I'm also trying to avoid things like Ruby on Rails, great web site programming systems that aren't going to teach me things I'll need long-term.
 
Old 06-22-2006, 12:23 PM   #4
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but why not go with the more popular (and more thoroughly tested) combo of Tomcat and Eclipse?
Hopefully, not everyone stick to the most popular and tested applications. That would kill innovation / competition. Studio Creator is based on NetBeans, which is quite popular and tested too.
 
Old 06-22-2006, 01:31 PM   #5
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But can you use tomcat to run websites and replace apache?
Of course. Tomcat can also serve plain html pages.
Regarding the Java Application Server you mentioned, if you mean the Sun Java System Application Server, then AFAIK you cannot install it in other linux distros, except RedHat ES, without problems with wrong glibc version etc.
 
Old 06-22-2006, 02:04 PM   #6
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Of course. Tomcat can also serve plain html pages.
Regarding the Java Application Server you mentioned, if you mean the Sun Java System Application Server, then AFAIK you cannot install it in other linux distros, except RedHat ES, without problems with wrong glibc version etc.
Well, that certainly explains why the JSC can't start it, then.

But looking at Eclipse, it doesn't look like a web development IDE. Besides not have a visual renderer for the web page, I'm really not up to writing java classes that can write html and javascript. I was hoping they would be provided for me.
 
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Sun Java System Application Server is based on the Open source GlassFish one, which you certainly can run on every Linux distribution.
 
Old 06-23-2006, 04:33 AM   #8
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Hopefully, not everyone stick to the most popular and tested applications. That would kill innovation / competition. Studio Creator is based on NetBeans, which is quite popular and tested too.
we aren't talking about microsoft products, so if its open source and quite popular (and used in production environments widely), its probably a decent product, wouldn't you think?
 
Old 06-23-2006, 04:42 AM   #9
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Well, that certainly explains why the JSC can't start it, then.

But looking at Eclipse, it doesn't look like a web development IDE. Besides not have a visual renderer for the web page, I'm really not up to writing java classes that can write html and javascript. I was hoping they would be provided for me.
Ok, your first post didn't specify you didn't want to do any client-side work. If thats the case, I believe Sun Creator is the only option.
 
Old 06-23-2006, 09:07 AM   #10
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Ok, your first post didn't specify you didn't want to do any client-side work. If thats the case, I believe Sun Creator is the only option.
Well, I want the pages to be dynamic, and I was hoping to avoid PHP.

So you or someone else codes the actual webpages in HTML and javascript, then you use the java to connect to back end applications?
 
Old 06-23-2006, 11:22 PM   #11
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Look into JSP and some web frameworks like Struts, Tapestry, and JSF. They will all separate backend code from the presentation layer very nicely, but you'll still have to write some HTML by hand.

I don't think PHP + Java is that common since Java has frameworks to separate the layers.
 
Old 06-24-2006, 03:10 AM   #12
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we aren't talking about microsoft products, so if its open source and quite popular (and used in production environments widely), its probably a decent product, wouldn't you think?
Sure, eclipse is widely used, but it doesn't provide the same kind of interface the OP is asking for (okay, he clarified it after your reply), while Java Studio Creator does.

The decision to open source Creator has been announced.

Sun Java System Application Server is based on technologies widely used in production too.
 
Old 06-27-2006, 08:55 AM   #13
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Well, I did get Studio Creator running on SuSE 9.3. The secret was to install it as the user who is running it, and also when uninstalling and installing erase all the Creator and .Creator directories.

It's rather amazing in that the code it generates from the visual interface is actually readable. Of course, it's not HTML, except in spots, it's some sort of XML.

Does anyone know any real websites using Java Application Server and/or Studio Creator?
 
Old 09-04-2006, 02:25 AM   #14
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I am a college student and pin-pointed the JSC and App Server Combo after trying out 2-3 options... I must say its quite a treat for newbies like me..

However, I am unable to install the APP SERVER part. i have successfully installed the creator on kubuntu (amd64 edition) on an Intel EM64T 3.0 GHz machine. The installer just exits when it begins the APP SERVER part saying I dont have compat-libstdc++.rpm and compat-libstdc++dev.rpm. The catch here is that i am on a debian machine...

What I have done is: see the contents of reqd rpm packages and see what all it ends up installing. Now i've downloaded the reqd libs and noted the shortcuts... But there's not an end to story as of yet... one of the libraries is not available for amd64 architecture!!

Hope to come up with a solution and post it here...
 
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specially on this topic (the initial posts): http://metaspogst.blogspot.com
 
  


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