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Old 01-03-2014, 12:41 PM   #1
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I have my linux .iso on a flash drive
the optical drive on my main linux computer will not read or write dvds
(hardware problem)
so I need to use windoze to write a boot disk
I may be out of date on this but
AFAIK
linux partitioning tools can't write a partition table that windbloze can read
so
I need a partitioning tool for windbloze
and
some way to write a boot disk on windbloze

edit
I forgot to say this is on windoze vista

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Old 01-03-2014, 12:50 PM   #2
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What's the purpose of this boot disk? Are you just trying to load the ISO onto a DVD? If so, any DVD burning software can do that. I'm a fan of imgburn personally. Just make sure you burn the image contained in the iso, not the iso file itself.

Now what's this about needing a partitioning tool? And why can't Linux write a partition table that Windows can read?

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Old 01-03-2014, 12:55 PM   #3
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to play devils advocate... since most pc's no longor have cd-rom drives why not just create a live-usb (unetbootin/fedora-live-usb-creator) ?

a few times i made a video dvd using devede on fedora-19 live-usb.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 01:01 PM   #4
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What's the purpose of this boot disk? Are you just trying to load the ISO onto a DVD? If so, any DVD burning software can do that. I'm a fan of imgburn personally. Just make sure you burn the image contained in the iso, not the iso file itself.

Now what's this about needing a partitioning tool? And why can't Linux write a partition table that Windows can read?
I need to make a boot disk not just transport the .iso to dvd like a simple data files
I think it has something to do with the check summing algorithm
the built in partitioning on windoze dose not write a partition
that linux can use

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Old 01-03-2014, 01:06 PM   #5
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I need to make a boot disk not just transport the .iso to dvd like a simple data files
Which is why I said:
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Just make sure you burn the image contained in the iso, not the iso file itself.
Any self-respecting cd/dvd burning software on any operating system can do this.

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the built in partitioning on windoze dose not write a partition that linux can use
The iso file contains the filesystem, it's a complete image. Whether it's burned to a disk from Linux or Windows makes absolutely no difference. And I still don't know what you mean by writing a partition that can't be used. Earlier you said Linux can't write a partition Windows can use, now you're saying Windows can't write a partition Linux can use...neither of which are remotely true, and neither of which apply in the slightest to making a cd/dvd.

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Old 01-03-2014, 01:08 PM   #6
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linux partitioning tools can't write a partition table that windbloze can read
Wrong. Partition tables are a standard that is OS independent in the x86 world. What you probably mean is that Windows can't by default read Linux filesystems, but this is irrelevant for the installation.
All you need are tools like Unetbootin (if the distro in question does not use the hybrid-iso format) or Win32 Disk Imager (if the distro in question does use the hybrid-iso format).

By the way, if you write Windows instead of things like windbloze you make it easier for future users to search for this topic.
 
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most dvd writing programs have a create image disk option. depending on what program you are using you may need to dig around in the menues to find it.
 
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to play devils advocate... since most pc's no longor have cd-rom drives why not just create a live-usb (unetbootin/fedora-live-usb-creator) ?

a few times i made a video dvd using devede on fedora-19 live-usb.
because it trashes the the usb drive for any other use
and
not all usb drives can be made into a boot drive
 
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So, to get that together:
- Your computer has a non-working CD/DVD drive, so installing through DVD is not possible
- You have an USB disk that can be used to install, but you don't want to use the appropriate programs for that, because during the installation process the USB device will not be usable for other purposes

Which other options are you searching for?
 
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So, to get that together:
- Your computer has a non-working CD/DVD drive, so installing through DVD is not possible
- You have an USB disk that can be used to install, but you don't want to use the appropriate programs for that, because during the installation process the USB device will not be usable for other purposes

Which other options are you searching for?
the computer I want to install linux on has a working dvd drive
my linux computer has the mucked up dvd drive if not I would use Kb3 to write the image
sorry I thought covered this by saying my MAINE computer has a trashed dvd drive

the partitioning tool that comes with windbloz dose not start the partitions on a cylinder hence linux can't use the new partitions
 
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the partitioning tool that comes with windbloz dose not start the partitions on a cylinder hence linux can't use the new partitions
1) Linux has no problem with partitions not starting/ending on cylinder boundaries. Some legacy utilities might throw out a warning, but that's all.

2) Why does this matter anyway? You're burning a DVD to install Linux on another machine, Windows has absolutely no say in the partitioning of that other computer's hard drive.

Either there's something you're not telling us here, or you seem to be very confused about the role the computer/OS that burns the installation CD/DVD/USB has in the grand scheme of things.

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1) Linux has no problem with partitions not starting/ending on cylinder boundaries. Some legacy utilities might throw out a warning, but that's all.

2) Why does this matter anyway? You're burning a DVD to install Linux on another machine, Windows has absolutely no say in the partitioning of that other computer's hard drive.

Either there's something you're not telling us here, or you seem to be very confused about the role the computer/OS that burns the installation CD/DVD/USB has in the grand scheme of things.
the miss understanding seems to be that I an talking about 2 computers here my main linux computer I downloaded the .iso on and the windoze computer I want to convert to a duel boot computer windoze has the last word on what hard drive looks like on a duel boot machine

and because M$ likes to use unmovable files for copy protection I may have to reinstall windoze witch is another set of problems on a duel boot machine

I need to write the .iso using windoze I have that tool now

as much as I hate to I have to keep windoze for my R/C transmitter configuration tool
(I can't find the information needed to install mono from source on slack ware
so I can dump that sorry excuse of an O/S or I would )

the last time I tried to use a partition made by windoze partition manager mkfs
refused to use the partition because the partition did not start on a cylinder boundary maybe the writers of file systems no longer use this programming short cut but I doubt it

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Old 01-03-2014, 04:53 PM   #13
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You don't need Windows to create the Linux partition for you. Just have Windows shrink itself and then let the Linux installer set up its own partition layout in the drive's free space.

That said, twice I have let the OpenSUSE installer shrink a Win7 partition during installation to free up available space, and it's worked flawlessly both times.

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windoze has the last word on what hard drive looks like on a duel boot machine
Nope, Windows doesn't care at all how the partitions look like that it doesn't use. I dual boot for a very long time now and never had a problem with that.

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M$ likes to use unmovable files for copy protection
Actually this is a limitation of the NTFS filesystem, not a copy protection.
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I may have to reinstall windoze witch is another set of problems on a duel boot machine
Windows Vista and later are capable of shrinking their partitions themselves and from my experience they are reliable at that.

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as much as I hate to I have to keep windoze for my R/C transmitter configuration tool
(I can't find the information needed to install mono from source on slack ware
so I can dump that sorry excuse of an O/S or I would )
http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=mono&sv=14.1
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the last time I tried to use a partition made by windoze partition manager mkfs
refused to use the partition because the partition did not start on a cylinder boundary maybe the writers of file systems no longer use this programming short cut but I doubt it
Sure about that? I never had such a problem in the whole time I use Linux.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 05:28 PM   #15
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You don't need Windows to create the Linux partition for you. Just have Windows shrink itself and then let the Linux installer set up its own partition layout in the drive's free space.
tried that the freed up space dose not start on a cylinder boundary
an absolute show stopping problem for mkfs
and every time I tried to use cfdisk or fdisk windoze would not boot or else
it wiped out all the partitions as part the re-installation
there may still be the problem of unmovable files witch will require windoze be reinstalled only after an M$ filesystem has been put on all partitions or windoze installer will delete all partitions from the HDD and tack ALL of the HDD space for itself
I spent 3 days setting this computer up for duel boot reinstalled windoze 8 times tried to install linux 5 times running into one M$ muck up after another

so I still need a partition manager for windoze
 
  


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