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Old 01-17-2004, 10:59 AM   #1
pahl
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Hard core linux users - anti Microsoft


Do you use any microsoft products at all?

The more I use and learn about Linux the more I wonder why I spent so much money with M$ over the years.

Do you consider someone that uses Wine to run microsoft programs a hard core linux user?

What do the hard core Linux users do when they want to view something like a .wvm file?

I have two computers. A older 333MHZ with linux and a 1.7G computer with duel boot winXP/Linux
I would like to go 100% linux on both machines someday, but I'm not sure what the wife and kid would do not being able to play there games on winXP.

I find myself always using the old computer and linux just so I don't have to keep rebooting the new computer back into windows for the wife.
 
Old 01-17-2004, 11:18 AM   #2
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Do you use any microsoft products at all?

Sure, why not? For work and at home. 9 computers running Linux with one as a dual boot with Windows2k for those few apps that dont run on Linux. (Photoshop)

Do you consider someone that uses Wine to run microsoft programs a hard core linux user?

I don't really see the point of this question. People run wine most of the time to run applications that don't run natively in Linux and they only have Linux installed. Has nothing to do about hardcore Linux user to me.

What do the hard core Linux users do when they want to view something like a .wvm file?

Well, the "hardcore" to me wouldn't watch a .wvm file but instead convert it to another and yet better format.

I hope this thread isn't just to bash Microsoft, cause if it is, that is not what this site is about. We're here to discuss and help others with Linux related problems, questions, etc. We have plenty of threads pertaining to Linux vs. Microsoft here, we should really contribute to those instead of starting new ones.

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Old 01-17-2004, 11:41 AM   #3
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I did not know you could convert a .wvm file.
I will have to check that out, thanks!

Sorry for starting a new thread on a old subjust.
I will try to not let that happen again,

Feel free to close or delete this one.
 
Old 01-17-2004, 04:28 PM   #4
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just type
cp ./*.wvm ./*.mp3
then load it up into a microsoft floppy and submit it as a report for your school project (i usualy like to make it .com then see windows try hard to execute it when its realy a ascii text document )
anywas i realy dont think anyone can use linux 100% these days cuse school usuing windows, work placees use windwos, almost everwre usues windwos so most people have to use it even if its a work
 
Old 01-17-2004, 04:35 PM   #5
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I have no choice but to also use M$ for two main reasons. First of all when I take classes online, only IE is supported. And also for gaming (I play only sports games like Madden and NBA Live).
 
Old 01-17-2004, 04:44 PM   #6
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The only reason I switched from Microsoft was that Linux costs less. The only Microsoft product I am still using is my Microsoft Mouse.

Later
Bob
 
Old 01-17-2004, 04:53 PM   #7
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by SciYro
cp ./*.wvm ./*.mp3

not really on topic but thought i'd point out that the above wont work cp when given multiple files expects the last argument to be a directory to put the copies in. there is a command to do the desired effect i think its called rename but im not sure.

by SciYro
then load it up into a microsoft floppy and submit it as a report for your school project (i usualy like to make it .com then see windows try hard to execute it when its realy a ascii text document

you want to be careful running arbitrary files as .com because com files contain no header information they are just loaded to 0100h and executed, thus on a 9x based system they could do nasty things like wipe harddisk although its unlikly that a random file will do anything more than crash the computer.

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i dont use windows myself and at uni i mostly use suns but at lan parties i use windows for avp2, bf1942, etc
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Old 01-17-2004, 05:48 PM   #8
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I have to use Windows for work, I ususally boot into windows in the morning and then Linux after lunch. The only real reason I use Windows is for Administration of MS systems and For FLASH and Dreamweaver. Other than that, there is no reason. If i was in a all linux shop, then i would prolly suffer through without dreamweaver and foreget about using flash.

I dont think much about wine. Not interested in running it as I have to run windows sometimes. But, yeah, i guess you would still be a hardcore linux user, why not..

And im still waiting for a way to use my old copyprotected .wma's in linux...
 
Old 01-17-2004, 06:56 PM   #9
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And im still waiting for a way to use my old copyprotected .wma's in linux... [/B]
Convert them to ogg (in Windows).
 
Old 01-17-2004, 07:18 PM   #10
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yeah, but i cant if they are copyprotected, (DL from napster without purchase) but, thanks....
 
Old 01-17-2004, 07:33 PM   #11
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Re: Hard core linux users - anti Microsoft

Do you use any Microsoft products at all?
Yep. I've got my trusty MS Trackerball right here.
Do you consider someone that uses Wine to run microsoft programs a hard core linux user?
Nope.
What do the hard core Linux users do when they want to view something like a .wvm file?
I use MPlayer.
I have two computers. A older 333MHZ with linux and a 1.7G computer with duel boot winXP/Linux
I would like to go 100% linux on both machines someday, but I'm not sure what the wife and kid would do not being able to play there games on winXP.

So dual-boot. Most people do. I did until I accidentally wiped my Win2k partition.
I find myself always using the old computer and linux just so I don't have to keep rebooting the new computer back into windows for the wife.And is there a problem with each of you using seperate computers? Apart from the electricity bill, I mean

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Old 01-19-2004, 04:29 PM   #12
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As recently awakened to the open source world I still struggle to grasp the concept. I can't avoid a notion that, however I turn it around, the use of Open Source Software seems to be a political action. I'm realy irrititad on the Microsoft way of life but this is not the reason why I write this answer. As far as I'm able to understand, if you work and doesn't get paid you'll die of starvation. So, who's going to give you food & shelter why you program OSS programs. Nobody is going to pay you.. or? .. so you starve. So you get a job & program in your spare time. So you marry & suddenly you have kids and mortgages. Ooops. Suddenly you don't have the spare time. So you don't program OSS.

No good! OSS is really an ethically, morally and egotistically superior way of working. The only ones I can see paying me for this programming, now that I really have to do it on my job, it is you and me!!!

I have deleoped the crazy idea that open source programming isn't really going to give us 'free' programs at all! I suddenly think that somebody is going to have to pay for it all and I'm one. The really important point is the 'Open Source' part. I feel that it's worth paying for. So. When I find a notice saying 'Donation' I donate. If your'e working in a company or in a governmental organisation you pester your workmates time & time again by asking them to do the same thing..

As soon as you see something that has to be programmed you tell someone about the wonders of OSS and tell them to read Ganesh Prasad: 'Open Source-onomics' so they get the idea. But..the really challenging part of the Open Source-onomics is the task to generalize it into other areas of life. Designing waste containers or communal healthcare or whatever. Is this possible?? It intrigues me...anybody has a real-life experience of this? Tell me...

Is it possible that the competition-based market-driven economy isn't going to give us everything we need? Is it possible thet this classical notion of how society is propelled forward isn'nt quit complete without open source?? Am I a complete nut or what? I feel my wits dimming...help somebody!
 
Old 01-19-2004, 05:29 PM   #13
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I did not think all OSS is just one guy working on one program is it?
Maybe one guy starts out working on a OSS program and others that are interested in it help out?

I'm not really sure how it all works.

Could a guy make a living on only doing OSS or would you go hungry?
 
Old 01-19-2004, 06:21 PM   #14
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When I think of the word "pay" I don't necessarily think of money. I'm not sure who first said "freedom isn't free" but I don't think they were referring to money either. They meant the payment in blood and sweat those who fought for freedom made. The sad fact of the matter is most innovators make little money off their ideas in today’s society. Large corporations openly steal their work and are protected by a crooked political and legal system that sells justice to the highest bidder. I’ve got nothing against capitalism, but the whole concept has been perverted IMHO.

Leaving the general aside to discuss the specifics of open vs. closed source. One of the first programs I marketed for Windows was a memory and resource display, published in the book “Maximizing Windows 3.1” by Jim Boyce. It made use of functions Microsoft hadn’t documented. I used a program called Sourcer to disassemble Windows' core components (kernel, user and GDI,) which is how I discovered them, among many others. These types of hidden functions give Microsoft’s own applications an advantage over those developed by third parties. Such monopolistic practices are impossible with Open Source.

So, while I may agree with your distain for the socialist political implications, the current state of affairs in American society makes it seem like the lesser of two evils. If I had some choices over the basic needs of modern life, such as electricity, local phone, cable TV and other services, maybe it wouldn’t seem that way. As it stands now however, there’s very little difference between American society and that of communist China. Corrupt politicians decide who gets to make money and who doesn’t. Free markets my arse!

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Old 01-19-2004, 08:06 PM   #15
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I'm not hardcore anything. I use Linux most of the time, but occasionally find myself in windows for a few things I haven't gotten to work in Linux yet.

I don't see any reason why a hardcore linux user can't run MS apps in wine....I'd say if anything it makes them more hardcore: "I got Photoshop running on my OS....let's see you get sendmail working in Windows".

I don't really see why people put money as the main emphasis behind why a person does what he does. OSS has nothing to do with paying bills or profit....it's all about sharing and creating things that can be improved by anyone who wants to do it. If someone starts a project and his life ends up making it difficult to find time to continue, someone else can pick it up and go from there...there's no money lost, no concern about losing your copyright if you want to go back and work on that project in the future.
In addition, open source doesn't mean you have to give it away for free...you can require payment from anyone who gets an application from you...you just have to include the source and license so the person obtaining that software can look at it and modify it if he feels the need to do so. I don't know why the capitalists are all worried about losing money on oss....if you want to make money from it you can....just maybe not as much as you can with a close source, overpriced piece of software that no one else has access to.
 
  


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