I just thought I'd post this, well it's sort of a rant/moan, but not really.
The other week, I got the latest edition of LinuxFormat mag through the post. It had Mandrake 10.1 community (it was just before Mandrake release 10.1 official) on the cover disc.
I thought "excellent", it's been out for a while so it's not too far from going "official" (which it did, about a fortnight after).
Anyway, I proceeded to do the upgrade from 10.0 official to the 10.1 community. Unfortunately, the upgrade wasn't very successful, so I decided that it probably needed a fresh install of the 10.1 community.
That was even worse, for reasons that I don't understand it wouldn't boot at all, which I feel is a rare occurance. I've had considerable success with mandrake.
So, I thought things through, and eventually put a knoppix disc in the drive and booted that, followed by a visit to a terminal and
Code:
sudo knoppix-installer
off it went.
The knoppix disc I was using, had been previously used without any problems whatsoever, so when the knoppix installer started showing error after error I became, well I suppose dis-oriented would be a good word.
That wouldn't boot either!
So, back to square one.
It just happens, that I also had some gentoo discs (2004.2). Now I appreciate that gentoo "can" take one hell of a long time to install, but I thought that if I opted for the "stage 3 + GRP" (that's with using binary packages from the second disc to save time during install).
After about 2 hours or so I had a running gentoo system (which is what I'm using at the moment). Great, but heres the catch 22.
When, like me, you've had lots of success with a distro like Mandrake, it's very easy to forget just how much of the install, management and configuration of the software is actually automated.
The number of things that I've had to learn, or re-learn so I can get the gentoo install to anything approaching an "off the shelf" version of mandrake is/are considerable.
For example, getting packages and installing them is sooooooo easy. Just a case of
and off it goes, gets the package, downloads and compiles it - Bingo.
But bugger me, it seems such hard work. If it's not a missing application, it's damned confusing configuration.
So far, I've had to battle to install/configure the Xserver (xorg) to be able to work properly with my nvidia based graphics card, learn about doing partitial kernel compiling so I can then get the modules or kernel support that I didn't know I'd need after the initial install, configuring printers, working out how to either apply/install modified /etc/config files when completing an update and todays "little exercise" has been to find out more about the possibility of having multiple versions of KDE installed (unintentionally) and how to configure my system so that the numlock facility is switched on at boot.
The catch 22 being that yes, I could easily order another DVD powerpack of 10.1 from mandrake and pretty much everything would be there, up and running straight after the install, but given the time that I've invested installing/learning/configuring/managing this gentoo install, I'm very reluctant to do that - not forgetting that to move back to mandrake would tie me back into the perennial upgrading cycle again. If only there was a way of having either Gentoo's portage or debians Apt package manager in mandrake, but so it only gets mandrakised packages, but still offers the option of either "emerge -uDv world" or "apt-get install dist upgrade", then mandrake truely would (IMO) be just about the best that is available (perhaps it is possible, but I greatly suspect the implementation of such a plan would be so far over my head, as to be impracticle).
So I suppose I'm stuck with Gentoo for the time being (not a bad thing, but I'm still not entirely convinced that gentoo is right for me). I'll just have to keep my eyes open for things that it's not doing, that I took for granted when I had mandrake installed and try to make it "do that" as well.
Phew, thats that "off my chest".
Keep up the good works Jeremy and all the LQ mods, you've got one hell of a good resource here. It's a pleasure to be part of it, even in such a very small way.
regards
John