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Old 01-23-2003, 12:34 AM   #1
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Finding Module Dependencies Boot Hang


So, I'm new this, having just installed linux on my computer today.
However, I have yet to get it to actually load.

Thus far I have run into two major issues; one being that the Grub loader gave me an Error 28 (which is now fixed after I reinstalled and switched to the LILO loader), and the other being that once I got past the first issue, my system hangs while its 'Finding Module Dependencies'.

I'm using the RH 8.0 distro, on a dual boot system with WinXP.
I have two hard drives, one with XP, and the other with Linux.

My processor is a 1.8 gig Athlon, and from which I've read is especially prone to this problem.
However, I've searched through this forum as much as patience will allow and havent found a solution that suits me.

I installed linux by downloading all the necessary bits from the web, and creating an install floppy (id est, I do not have a linux install CD). Also, since I am unable to load linux, I need a solution to fix this problem outside of linux.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Old 01-23-2003, 01:07 AM   #2
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Re: Finding Module Dependencies Boot Hang

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Originally posted by Vandalin
my system hangs while its 'Finding Module Dependencies'.

The last time I saw this crop up it was due to a foul up in the way the modules were installed. Either the kernel thought it had modular support for some feature and the module didn't exist or it was the other way around: kernel had something built-in and depmod saw a module for that feature. It turned out to be a problem in the way I'd built and moved a new kernel into place but that was way back in RH6.2. And you're doing a fresh install from the sounds of things.

Have you tried booting from the installation CD in rescue mode? You should be able to get the root partition mounted so that you can take a peek at where the modules are, which ones exist under /lib/modules, etc. If you can get your root partition mounted in rescue mode, /and/ if you're feeling adventurous, you could try adding the `-v' switch to the depmod commands in /etc/rc.sysinit (an important script; make a safe copy before mucking around with it) so it'll telling you what modules it's checking during the boot. That may tell you what module is causing the trouble.

If it turns out that some module doesn't exist, I'm not sure if you can pull the modules off the CDs without going through the installation process. (I suspect that the initial set of modules are in one of the base rpms.)

Good luck...
 
Old 01-23-2003, 01:20 AM   #3
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I installed linux by downloading all the necessary bits from the web, and creating an install floppy (id est, I do not have a linux install CD).
 
Old 01-23-2003, 02:16 PM   #4
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My mistake...

...I guess I took that to mean that you downloaded and burned a CD.

Can you describe in more detail what you did to download all these pieces and how you built the system? (I'm beginning to wonder if this question wouldn't be better tackled by the folks hanging out in the `Linux From Scratch' forum.)

Were these pieces downloaded onto a working Linux system?
Guess I'm still trying to figure out why the module dependency step would hang. For example, if the kernel and modules were from the wrong versions, I'd bet that that would cause depmod to go nuts.)
 
Old 01-23-2003, 03:10 PM   #5
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I probably did things the most idotic way I possibly could, but, as I've said, I'm entirely new to linux.

I downloaded the iso's and burned them to disks.
I was unable to do anything with them, as I undoubtedly burned them wrong. Not really knowing that I had to burn them in a special way (and still not knowing how I should burn them), I downloaded the os and put all files onto a fat32 partition of my second hard drive. I then made an install floppy and installed on the free space of the second drive using a hard drive install from the fat32 partition.

I think I've found a potential solution to my problem. But, I dont know spanish, and all of the translators I've tried have done a poor job of translating. I've googled the problem, but havent seen any sites that hold the promise of that one.

My motherboard is an ASUS A7N266-VM with an Athlon 1.8 gig processor, and, from what I've researched thus far is that Linux has compatibility issues with both of them, though, I think that both of these issues are able to be overcome.
 
Old 01-23-2003, 08:24 PM   #6
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Looks like this thread might be dying...

I still really, really need help with this though, the potential 'solution' I came up with isnt for my version.

I'm completely clueless as to how I can get past my issue.

Basically, Linux freezes loading when it goes to find module dependencies
 
Old 01-23-2003, 10:10 PM   #7
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vandalin
I probably did things the most idotic way I possibly could, but, as I've said, I'm entirely new to linux.

Well, you tried which is more than can be said for many people.
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I downloaded the iso's and burned them to disks.
I was unable to do anything with them, as I undoubtedly burned them wrong. Not really knowing that I had to burn them in a special way (and still not knowing how I should burn them), I downloaded the os and put all files onto a fat32 partition of my second hard drive. I then made an install floppy and installed on the free space of the second drive using a hard drive install from the fat32 partition.
I have no experience installing from a Windows hard disk and a boot floppy. If you want to take another crack at burning the CD, take a look at the tips in this thread on comp.os.linux.redhat. Also check out this other thread (BTW, both of the above links and many more were at the comp.os.linux.redhat group at Google and found by searching for ``burning ISO image''. You might want to read some more there.)

You didn't mention what software you were using when you tried burning the CDs the first time but it sounds like the above thread might be of some help. Some folks seem to have problems using Adaptec's EZ Creator. (Wish I could help more but I no longer use Windows for much more than fragging the blue team.)

If you can't get past this installation problem, there's always Cheapbytes. They sell a Red Hat ``workalike'' called ``Pink Tie'' (great name) that's only US$7 (plus shipping I'm sure). This is not a Red Hat distribution, though. It just has the same components.

Personally, I'd try the CD burn again just in case the burner software defaulted to some dain bread setting that goofed up the CD. After a while, though, seven bucks might start sounding like a good deal.
 
Old 01-23-2003, 10:15 PM   #8
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Actually, right now I'm in the process of re-burning the ISO's, after having the process explained to me..

For the sake of reference should someone else need help with burning the ISO's, I was given a very good guide to burning them with Adaptec Easy CD Creator here.

I'll keep you posted on whether or not the CD install is sucessful.
 
Old 01-24-2003, 01:00 AM   #9
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And my problem remains.

I Burned the ISO's into CD's, and was able to install with them. (I got a blank screen when I chose graphical install, but was able to install in text mode)

However, I still cannot get past the 'Finding Module Dependencies' hang at boot.

I really have no clue whats causing this problem, and I have yet to find anything that I can use as a solution.
 
Old 01-24-2003, 11:19 PM   #10
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I'm having this *exact* same problem. It's freaky. Got an Athlon 2100xp, Asus A7N266-e motherboard. Redhat 8.0. I think I may've done the same thing wrong with burning the .iso files, but if doing it "right" didn't work for you, then I really have no idea what the problem might be.

Is Mandrake any easier?
 
Old 01-25-2003, 12:14 AM   #11
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Re: Freaky

I don't know about it being freaky. So far we have two installations that hang in the same place and both involve Athlons. I wonder if there's anything on Red Hat's site about Athlon problems... Hmm. Not that I can find. At least the HCL isn't much help (their forums have been down for a week or two).

Are you both using an Athlon-specific set of ISO images? (I ask because an awful lot of the update rpms come in Athlon versions.) I wonder it has anything to do with this business of hanging during the module dependency check.
 
Old 01-25-2003, 12:29 AM   #12
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I'm using the default RH install, I dont know if its even possible to load .rpm's without being inside of linux, as of yet, I havent done that.

Yeah, it seems to be a trend.. Athlons (my specific version of Athlon is Athlon XP) and ASUS A7N266-(VM & E) motherboards.

Right now I'm in the process of downloading/burning, etc, Mandrake linux 9.0... I dont know if this will change anything, but its worth the shot.
 
Old 01-25-2003, 09:59 PM   #13
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Arg...

Okay, so I've tried Mandrake.. its not working either.

I'm on the verge of of giving up on Linux.

I did get some help from a chatroom, however, when I came back, the person that was assisting me wasnt there.

He suggested I boot up in emergency mode and find the log that contains the info about whats going on during the 'finding module dependencies' phase of booting up, then copying it over to a fat32 partition, and then showing it to him so he can tell me what next to do. (I think he was going to tell me how to modify which modules that get loaded when linux starts up.)

Thats fine and dandy, in theory.
Except that when I used the cp command to copy a file over to the fat32 partition (I dont know if it was THE file, because I never was able to find THE file), and then I booted into XP, and found out that the fat32 partition had been wiped out.

I'm willing to try just about anything that anyone is willing to suggest, so long as they can tell me exactly how to do it. (I am a newbie, after all)

C'mon people.. I need help here... do ya really want me to keep using windows and not linux?
 
Old 01-28-2003, 05:03 PM   #14
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I'm having the exact problem as well, with both RedHat 8.0 and Mandrake 9.0 i hang at 'Finding Module Dependencies'.

I'm a very green newbie, i think what might help me most (unless someone is willing to hold my hand all the way through the process) would be some advice on reading material that will help me understand Linux basics.

I have purchased RedHat 8.0 for dummies, it would be a good resource but it operates under the assumption that there is not a problem durring installation!

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!
 
Old 01-28-2003, 06:06 PM   #15
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Okay, who here is having installation problems and who is having boot problems? We'll need to address them differently.

I don't think the Athlon chip is the problem; Red Hat fixed that in 8.0 (anyone trying to install/run an earlier version?).

Ender has an Asus A7N motherboard; what about Vandalin and Peter Smith? Are you guys both running the same motherboard? There have been problems with some motherboards.

If the three of you will get back to me, we should be able to figure this out.
 
  


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