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Old 04-04-2012, 04:01 PM   #46
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Okay, some good news...

My attempt to compile a kernel (version 3.3.1) on Fedora 16 worked... almost. WiFi doesn't work, but that can probably be fixed.

So, it was Ubuntu's configuration after all. Maybe I should try moving to Fedora...

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Old 04-04-2012, 04:22 PM   #47
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:01 PM   #48
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Excellent stuff Ryan
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Maybe I should try moving to Fedora...
Why not Debian?
 
Old 04-04-2012, 06:42 PM   #49
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Excellent stuff Ryan
Why not Debian?
Firstly, Debian always takes so long to install and set up. But it's usually worth it, though.

Then again, I already have a Fedora installation with Linux 3.3.1, so I might as well use it.

But if I decide to remove Fedora, I have a Debian disc ready.

(Hee hee... when this thread was started, the latest release was 3.2.1 and now I have 3.3.1)
 
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Just out of curiosity, why in the first place did you want to replace the kernel?
 
Old 04-04-2012, 06:57 PM   #51
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Fair enough, it's about choice afterall.
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(Hee hee... when this thread was started, the latest release was 3.2.1 and now I have 3.3.1)
Yes how true, I'm on 3.3.1 now as well and have a copy of 3.4rc1 to try.
 
Old 04-04-2012, 07:11 PM   #52
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Just out of curiosity, why in the first place did you want to replace the kernel?
My original problem was with my internal speakers... so I tried to upgrade the kernel, which worked before. The one in the standard Ubuntu repositories fixed the issue, but introduced plenty more. So plan B was compiling one myself. Fedora was my proof of concept... unfortunately, I can't reproduce the success on Ubuntu.

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Fair enough, it's about choice afterall.
That's one reason I love Linux... no big company controls your OS, so I can use whatever kernel I want, whatever shell I want, and even whatever boot loader I want. When it comes to computers, it can't get much better than that.

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Yes how true, I'm on 3.3.1 now as well and have a copy of 3.4rc1 to try.
At this rate, version 4 will be out in no time.

(note: I have a 70 gig partition on my hard drive doing nothing at all... maybe a tri-boot Ubuntu/Fedora/Debian system would be fun)
 
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Debian is not that different from Ubuntu (except the stability and the proper use of a root account). If you want to triple boot I would suggest a third OS that is totally different from your other OSes, maybe Slackware, Arch or Gentoo.
 
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Debian is not that different from Ubuntu (except the stability and the proper use of a root account).
Not to mention Unity Vs Gnome, Plymouth Vs no Plymouth, ureadahead Vs no ureadahead, a community that isn't listened to Vs a community that is listened to, chopping and changing standard sofware Vs not chopping and changing standard software. Need I go on?
 
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Not to mention Unity Vs Gnome, Plymouth Vs no Plymouth, ureadahead Vs no ureadahead, a community that isn't listened to Vs a community that is listened to, chopping and changing standard sofware Vs not chopping and changing standard software. Need I go on?
You forgot sudo vs su, aiming at large markingshare vs aiming at stability, ... .
What I actually meant was that Debian is not so much technically different from Ubuntu and when it comes to maintaining the system (and I think you know that). Of course those two OSes are different, they are developed with different goals. What actually is better can only the user of the system say (which is better for me should be clear as a Slackware user).
Seems to me that I have hit a nerve of a Debian zealot.
 
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You forgot sudo vs su, aiming at large markingshare vs aiming at stability, ... .
What I actually meant was that Debian is not so much technically different from Ubuntu and when it comes to maintaining the system (and I think you know that). Of course those two OSes are different, they are developed with different goals. What actually is better can only the user of the system say (which is better for me should be clear as a Slackware user).
Seems to me that I have hit a nerve of a Debian zealot.
Well done Toby. I didn;t forget sudo Vs su I did say "need I go on?"

No nerve hit and I'm not a Debian zealot I am however moving towards being anti-Ubuntu and that says alot considering Ubuntu was the OS that got me into Linux. I just think it is up to the end user what they choose and that they should be presented with as many facts as possible. To say that they are not that different is not really an accurate representation of reality. No harm done, you have your opinion and I have mine.
 
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Firstly, Debian always takes so long to install and set up. But it's usually worth it, though.....
Well that depends on how one install it. What about minimal install then just the necessary software?
So just the base system, then with aptitude just the parts of xserver the hardware need not the whole suit and then the WM and a terminal. Don't forget to stop the suggested software get installed, most of that isn't necessary and can be avoided, (it is possible also to stop the recommended software too, but it isn't recommended if you want some extra functionality). Less time to install and you will get the system ready shortly.

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... I am however moving towards being anti-Ubuntu ...
Well I'm sure you guys have heard things like: "Ubuntu make things easy for the unexperienced user complicating them in the background". I was surprised today when i was running 11.10 live CD and I couldn't find a terminal in any menu inside Unity(which is awful in my opinion) only 2 ways to get to it is with ctrl+alt+F1-6 and by searching for it under Dash Home and typing xterm or terminal, but not visible or obvious to new Linux users, so they couldn't know. I was shocked. So we can imagine situations like: "The new user go to the forum asking for help and get an answer where he/she have to open the terminal, but, what is a terminal and where is it, I don't see it." Why are they hiding it? Who doesn't use the terminal here raise your hand!
For now sticking with 10.10.

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Well that depends on how one install it. What about minimal install then just the necessary software?
So just the base system, then with aptitude just the parts of xserver the hardware need not the whole suit and then the WM and a terminal. Don't forget to stop the suggested software get installed, most of that isn't necessary and can be avoided, (it is possible also to stop the recommended software too, but it isn't recommended if you want some extra functionality). Less time to install and you will get the system ready shortly.


Well I'm sure you guys have heard things like: "Ubuntu make things easy for the unexperienced user complicating them in the background". I was surprised today when i was running 11.10 live CD and I couldn't find a terminal in any menu inside Unity(which is awful in my opinion) only 2 ways to get to it is with ctrl+alt+F1-6 and by searching for it under Dash Home and typing xterm or terminal, but not visible or obvious to new Linux users, so they couldn't know. I was shocked. So we can imagine situations like: "The new user go to the forum asking for help and get an answer where he/she have to open the terminal, but, what is a terminal and where is it, I don't see it." Why are they hiding it? Who doesn't use the terminal here raise your hand!
For now sticking with 10.10.

Regards
Yeah, most of the computers in my house are Ubuntu 10.10... but this April, 10.10's End of Life, I'm probably going to want to switch them to something else. Ubuntu 10.04 is known to not work on %70 of my computers, so Debian or Fedora will probably be standard in no time.
 
  


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