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Old 06-15-2004, 12:10 AM   #1
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What graphics card should I buy for Unreal 2004?


I plan on purchasing a new computer in September. I will use the computer for about two years. At that time, I will give the computer to my father.

I am only interested in Unreal 2004, and Unreal 2005 (when it comes out). I can afford a $300 graphics card. However, I would like to spend as little money as possible. Is there really a substantial difference between an nVidia 5200 and an nVidia 5900? Should I purchase an nVidia 6800? Would I have driver problems because the 6800 is such a new card? I do not want to spend any time trying to find and install drivers.

I purchased an Xbox a couple years ago. Theoretically, the graphics on the Xbox are far better than the Gamecube. However, I can not tell that much of a difference. I bought the Xbox because I wanted to treat myself to the best graphics possible. Still, I know that I would have been just as happy with a Gamecube if I did not have the extra $100 for the Xbox.

Please share your opinions with me.
 
Old 06-15-2004, 12:29 AM   #2
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oh hell yeah, a fx5900 will run circles around a fx5200 while eating ice cream. there is no current support for a fx6800 in the current linux driver, but itll probably roll around soon. i recommend getting a 5950u, as they work right now and give good performance.
 
Old 06-15-2004, 01:14 AM   #3
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u could go 5900xt and just overclock it to 5950ultra speeds.
i think u can get them for like 300aud$ so u would save a lot.
 
Old 06-15-2004, 06:56 PM   #4
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Would you recommend a 5700 card?

When I look at the specifications of the nVidia 5700, it seems almost as good as the 5900 card. In addition, I am only spending $150 instead of $300. Is purchasing the 5700 card a bad idea?
 
Old 06-15-2004, 07:54 PM   #5
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I play in the Onslaught demo with my 5700 Ultra, and it works quite well.
 
Old 06-16-2004, 06:50 AM   #6
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the 5900xt is faster than the 5700 ultra because it is 256 bit where as the 5700 ultra is only 128bit.
And note i said $300 AUD, im not sure what the price is in the US.
 
Old 06-16-2004, 06:42 PM   #7
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> I do not want to spend any time trying to find and install drivers.

Erm, I think you will have to find and install the nvidia driver, as very few distros have the nvidia driver as part of the distro. Distros such as redhat/fedora come with an alternative driver called "nv" which does not support 3d accelleration.

Cheers,

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Old 06-17-2004, 01:27 AM   #8
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Thank You

I have the feeling that most gamers feel that the 5900 is far superior to the 5700. This is helpful to me.

Do you think that I should wait an additional two or three months until cheaper versions of the 6800 comes out before I purchase my new computer?
 
Old 06-17-2004, 02:57 AM   #9
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unconscious: get 5200, bad frames in ut2003 even with lowest resolution and texture quality, all around bad foward compatability, have fun playing quake 2!

budget concious: get 5700, it will run UT 2004 no problem, but when HL2 and doom 3 roll around, your going to have to reduce the resolution and quality to get good frame rates.

value concious: get a 59*0 (most bang for the buck), they are much cheeper now a days cause the new 6800, and will probably run HL2 and doom 3 (and ut2005) without much quality loss.

high roller: get a 6800, no linux 3D drivers yet, and you may need to upgrade your power supply, but your going to be able to run every game from now till 2 years from now on the highest quality/resolution

and yes, no matter what card you choose, you will have to install 3d drivers, (no different than windows here)

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Old 06-17-2004, 09:03 AM   #10
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Thank You e1000

Thank you very much for your thoughts. I will certainly not purchase a 5200 based on your advice. I do not want to be "penny wise" and "dollar foolish."
 
Old 06-17-2004, 09:51 AM   #11
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Hiya Dreamcast,

I guess you've got all the info and from what I've scanned through, it seems all accurate from my rather limited knowledge.

Just wondering why no one suggested getting an ATI instead? The ATI 9600 XT is damn good value for money, (three of my friends have either a 9800 XT or a 9600 XT and they are all _very_ happy with it - I'm too poor for anything fancy :P)

Sure, go ahead and get an Nvidia, but are you sure you want to ignore the ATI cards, traditionally better at OpenGL and seemingly better nix support ;)

Steve
 
Old 06-17-2004, 10:04 AM   #12
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I'm not familiar with ATI cards. But, I believe that wineX works better with Nvidia. Or, at least my memory suggests that transgaming recommend nvidia cards.

Cheers,

Ross-c
 
Old 06-17-2004, 06:10 PM   #13
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LOL ati have the crappest drivers ever for *nix and the only *nix they support is linux.
AND nvidia has better support for open gl.
 
Old 06-17-2004, 08:39 PM   #14
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yea, I got a 9800 pro, and it works AWESOME in windows, I never get less than 35 FPS in farcry even at high quality. but the linux drivers arent good, I get in the realm of 20-25 fps in UT2004 in linux.

Nvidias drivers are easier to install and are higher quality, if you are serious about linux gaming, get an nvidia. but personally my next card is going to be an ATI X800, I feel that nvidias cards are becoming too power hungry, I dont want to upgrade my PSU just to play games.

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Old 06-18-2004, 06:10 AM   #15
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The 3d card generation is changing right now...

I think you should wait until geforce 6800 gt is out next month - that is a lower cost version of nvidia geforce 6800 ultra. It still has 16 pipelines so it will be very fast. The 5950 ultra, while good now, is in my opinion not a good choice anymore since next-gen games like doom3 will not run that well on it.

The 6800 runs circles around 5950 in next gen games that use pixel shaders heavily (over 2 times faster, check out the reviews @ www.xbitlabs.com for example). So far nvidia has made drivers for every card so there will propably be support for the 6800. Of course if you want to use linux you should wait until the drivers are out to be sure.

In todays games the difference propably isnīt much since ut2004 is pretty much a direct x 8 level technology game. If you want future proof, then a 6800 model is a good choice. The 6800 ultra thatīs available atm is very expensive (500+ dollars), but the gt and the normal 6800 versions should be cheaper and still run faster than last generation cards.

edit: I wouldnīt even consider ATI cards, their drivers are very slow compared to nvidia (in linux) and are generally considered inferior to nvidia cards if you use linux. Just check the amount of ati related problems and compare that to nvidia ones here on linuxquestions.org Also, nvidia has always been faster in opengl, which all 3d linux games use.

Itīs a shame ATI doesnīt make good linux drivers since I actually like their cards more, since they make less noise and heat.

to e1000: the geforce 6800 and 6800 gt (ie, all versions but ultra) should work with "normal" psu:s. I think the gt will need a 350W one as far as I know.

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