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Old 11-07-2012, 05:12 PM   #1
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Valve software coming to LInujx


Hey did you guys hear about Valve (creators of Half-Life, Counter Strike, Team Fortress Classic), they are trying to move towards Linux. They already have a working copy of Left 4 Dead 2 working nativly on Linux, although it is not yet on the market. Check out this website and be sure and send them a positive email letting them know they have your full support and that you'll be a customer of their Linux games. http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/
 
Old 11-08-2012, 03:10 PM   #2
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Nice one, lets hope they keep working on more games to work natively and bring mainstream gaming to Linux OS's!
 
Old 11-09-2012, 02:30 AM   #3
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Their EULA contains an arbitration clause that prevents you from filing a class action lawsuit against them in the US. So you can only sue them in small claims court. I don't accept this.

In Canada, however, it is not valid:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/...lid-in-canada/
 
Old 11-09-2012, 04:01 AM   #4
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I may be slow this AM, but why would one need to sue a publisher of a computer game?---eg. would you claim brain damage from playing the game too much?

More generally, I think arbitration clauses may be a good idea in some situations. Also, I have heard that you cannot sign away your rights---not sure how true that is in practice.....
 
Old 11-09-2012, 08:00 AM   #5
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It was upheld in the AT&T decision in the US (see link), so it seems that it can be applied. In France it is true that you cannot sign away such rights.

Why would I sue ... normally I wouldn't but who knows, maybe they decide to include some malware or spyware with the program ... it is closed-source after all. I just don't like that they added it, maybe they are planning to hide something, probably something that phones home, like is typical nowadays. Worst case scenario would be a rootkit of some kind, or what if they release your personal data or sell it without your permission. They could abuse you in so many ways. Suing in small claims court is very bad for you because you will spend much more on the lawyer than you earn, and very good for them because they have money and you are less likely to sue. I can see where the trend is going and I will boycott it. Many companies have adopted this and I want them to know that they are wrong. They will likely not get the message because people today are spineless. Their entertainment matters more than any rights. You could put them in a jail cell and give them entertainment and they'd love it .... and they will. All they need is food and entertainment.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 08:38 AM   #6
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What?

H_TeXMeX_H, I don't get it. I post about a game company finally trying to embrace Linux and you post about suing. You didn't even mention Valve in your post and that's who my post is about.


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It was upheld in the AT&T decision in the US (see link), so it seems that it can be applied. In France it is true that you cannot sign away such rights.

Why would I sue ... normally I wouldn't but who knows, maybe they decide to include some malware or spyware with the program ... it is closed-source after all. I just don't like that they added it, maybe they are planning to hide something, probably something that phones home, like is typical nowadays. Worst case scenario would be a rootkit of some kind, or what if they release your personal data or sell it without your permission. They could abuse you in so many ways. Suing in small claims court is very bad for you because you will spend much more on the lawyer than you earn, and very good for them because they have money and you are less likely to sue. I can see where the trend is going and I will boycott it. Many companies have adopted this and I want them to know that they are wrong. They will likely not get the message because people today are spineless. Their entertainment matters more than any rights. You could put them in a jail cell and give them entertainment and they'd love it .... and they will. All they need is food and entertainment.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 10:09 AM   #7
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Did you check the link, it's about Valve and about their EULA. I posted it as a warning to those who would embrace Valve without question.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 10:25 AM   #8
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maybe they are planning to hide something, probably something that phones home, like is typical nowadays.
Of course they will implement a functionality to phone home. That is what is all about. This is a software that gives you access to their software store. It won't work without phoning home.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 02:21 PM   #9
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I may be slow this AM, but why would one need to sue a publisher of a computer game?
Plausible scenario: they get hacked, your credit card information gets stolen, and it comes out that there was negligence on their part.
 
  


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