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Old 07-24-2008, 04:40 PM   #1
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Does any in this forum have been hire to work with LINUX without work experience?


What about if I practice LINUX everyday and passed RHCE test, then tell the hiring company that I have 4 years of experience in LINUX....... Do I have the chance to be hire?



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Old 07-24-2008, 04:51 PM   #2
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Well, it all depends on the employer, the other candidates involved. I've interviewed candidates at employers before. I'll pick personality and experience over Certifications any day of the week. I've butted heads with the other less experienced personnel who interviewed the same person who wanted to pick someone with certs over an older guy with experience. I actually worked at one place where most of the system administrators were around 25 years old. They picked a guy who was fresh out of college and had limited experience with Linux over an older guy who had experienced that matched their own age cause they felt they would rather work with the younger guy. They ended up having to let that guy go cause well, we we're teaching him shit he should have known or he claimed to have known. I just sat back and said, "I told you so!"

From my own experience, I always found myself teaching things to a new person with certifications that someone with experience should already know how to do.

It's best to be honest. When you tell them you have 4 years experience, tell them that the experience is not in a corporate environment. Passing a test and playing with it at home won't give you the experience that might help you in situations in a commercial and corporate environment.

Win them over with knowledge and if they like your personality as well, you have a better chance over the other possible candidates.

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Old 07-24-2008, 05:28 PM   #3
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What about if I practice LINUX everyday and passed RHCE test, then tell the hiring company that I have 4 years of experience in LINUX....... Do I have the chance to be hire?
I wouldn't tell them you have four years of experience unless you actually DO have four years of experience. The RHCE test is great, but there is a TON of stuff it doesn't cover, and things that you just won't know until you've been in the environment with your 'hands dirty'.

A savvy interviewer will see right through it. If you actually do get hired, your co-workers will immediately know what's up, and you'll probably get dumped very quickly.

Also, good grammar and the ability to write clearly does play a part too.
 
Old 07-24-2008, 05:30 PM   #4
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Hi trickykid,

Thanks for you valuable comments. I have 4 years experience with Windows servers but minimum with LINUX. I have been studying LINUX for about 7 months with CentOS and VMWARE.

So do you think that I can find a job as LINUX Administrator? with RHCE?

THANKS

Hi TB0ne,

From you personal opinion, there is not room to be hire then? What do you recommend?

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Old 07-24-2008, 05:31 PM   #5
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Also, good grammar and the ability to write clearly does play a part too.
And like I mentioned, personality. People want to know the person they're going to hire is going to be a person they like working with.
 
Old 07-24-2008, 05:34 PM   #6
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So do you think that I can find a job as LINUX Administrator? with RHCE?
Well, like explained, anything is possible. If you do start out as a Linux administrator, you'll probably start off as a novice system administrator.

Probably your best option is to find a job that might require both Windows and Linux. You'll get the exposure on both, learn more Linux in the process which then turns into experience. When the right time and opportunity comes around, you'll be better prepared to start leaning more on the Linux side of things and jobs that require more Linux than Windows, or no Windows.
 
Old 07-24-2008, 05:43 PM   #7
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I would more happily hire someone with a great personality that was lacking technically than someone with a great resume that is hard to get along with.

You can teach someone new technologies. You CANNOT give someone a new personality.

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This is a great idea;

"Probably your best option is to find a job that might require both Windows and Linux."

Thanks trickykid
 
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You can teach someone new technologies. You CANNOT give someone a new personality.
Exactly. There is a sysadmin at another company we deal with that has no personality, no social skills and doesn't follow directions. We are constantly trying to teach him everything we do cause they test our product. The worst part about it is not constantly repeating ourselves and him not following our documentation but just dealing with him face to face. He lies to his management and tries to pull off that he is smarter than we are, even though we end up doing his job every time they have to deploy our product to their servers. He makes some excuse of why it didn't work and that it's our fault.

Personality does go a long way.
 
Old 07-24-2008, 06:31 PM   #10
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If it is for personality, then I am a good candidate.

I bought this book to study for LINUX, plus LINUX quick reference Guide

UNIX System Administration Handbook (3rd Edition) (Paperback)
by Evi Nemeth (Author), Garth Snyder (Author), Scott Seebass (Author), Trent H. Hein (Author)

# Paperback: 896 pages
# Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR; 3 edition (September 8, 2000)
# Language: English
# ISBN-10: 0130206016
# ISBN-13: 978-0130206015

I know there is one for LINUX, but this one only cost $5 dollars and it is brand new.
 
Old 07-24-2008, 09:38 PM   #11
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Hi TB0ne,

From you personal opinion, there is not room to be hire then? What do you recommend?
No, there most certainly is room to be hired, but if you misrepresent yourself to get a job, you will almost certainly be called out on it, and probably lose the job as a result. Don't claim experience you don't have is the biggest thing. And as trickykid said, being personable is certainly a plus. But, if you don't have the skills, you'll be the nicest guy in the unemployment line.

Also, speak and write clearly; good grammar and wording can kill an interview and/or resume, just as much as a lie or lack of knowledge.
 
Old 07-24-2008, 10:36 PM   #12
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Also, speak and write clearly; good grammar and wording can kill an interview and/or resume, just as much as a lie or lack of knowledge.
Yeah, any type of lie detected and the candidate falls flat for me. I interviewed one guy. On his resume he said he was familiar with RPM. I started asking about RPM, he couldn't even answer the questions. He didn't even know what it stood for. Apparently it came down to him finally admitting he never dealt with it and the recruiting company that was working with him and getting him interviews said it would be good to add these types of things to get more interviews. I ended it right there and trashed his resume on the way back to my office.
 
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If you have X years of using Linux at home, definitely mention it on your CV but point out that your experience is as a home user. You'll get points for the use but not penalised for over exaggerating it.
 
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Exactly. There is a sysadmin at another company we deal with that has no personality, no social skills and doesn't follow directions. We are constantly trying to teach him everything we do cause they test our product. The worst part about it is not constantly repeating ourselves and him not following our documentation but just dealing with him face to face. He lies to his management and tries to pull off that he is smarter than we are, even though we end up doing his job every time they have to deploy our product to their servers. He makes some excuse of why it didn't work and that it's our fault.

Personality does go a long way.
Yeah, but even if that guy was nice, he's still an incompetent liar. No amount of smiles and handshakes makes that go away.
 
Old 07-25-2008, 04:25 PM   #15
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Try putting the lab together, practice internals of Linux, know all the commands well and be ready to show them you wrote a script or two. Work might be painful, just to obtain the knowledge, but not everyone knows LDAP or NIS, nor they know how to customize NFS configurations to its fullest potential. Forget the certification, get internship someplace. Another thing that I learned becoming Sys Admin, do not overspread your efforts. If you are going for a Linux - be specific, usually combo of Red Hat and Suse will come handy. Remember that Red Had does things differently than Suse or Ubuntu (Debian)..

Always look professional, clean and use proper grammar.
 
  


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