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Old 12-02-2015, 03:18 PM   #1
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Raspberry Pi Zero Isn't Free - but it is Cheap


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Raspberry Pi Zero Isn't Free - but it is Cheap;
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The first Raspberry Pi began a computing revolution, making it easier than ever before to buy and build a small computing device. As is often the case in computing, the first device was followed up by increasingly more powerful devices, with additional cost.
Raspberry Pi however isn't about profit, it's about use.
As such the newest device isn't more expensive,it's actually cheaper - a whole lot cheaper. The new Raspberry Pi retails for the absurdly low retail price of $5. No that's not a typo that's the price.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
Old 12-03-2015, 11:28 AM   #2
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Cables and peripheral are where they get you.

USB powered hub $30
wireless USB $20

3 cords $20-$25
HDMI to mini-HDMI male2male TV to RPi
USB to mini-USB female2male USB hub to RPi
USB to mini-USB male2male Power to RPi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8GZr2fyUY0

credit goes to gcmartin for showing me this.
 
Old 12-03-2015, 05:03 PM   #3
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Hi,

Support hardware cost does put a load on the wallet for these devices.
 
Old 12-03-2015, 06:32 PM   #4
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[QUOTE=onebuck;5458753]

Nice!

I need to get started on new projects for that one... thanks! Could take the award this year?

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Cables and peripheral are where they get you.

USB powered hub $30
wireless USB $20

3 cords $20-$25
HDMI to mini-HDMI male2male TV to RPi
USB to mini-USB female2male USB hub to RPi
USB to mini-USB male2male Power to RPi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8GZr2fyUY0

credit goes to gcmartin for showing me this.
Best Buy can hardly mark up the TV's &c or they can't compete but the cables are sometimes 400% more than to make them yourself.
 
Old 12-11-2015, 08:55 PM   #5
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I have two raspberry PI's. One runs from a powered USB hub for $19.99, the other from a 1A phone charger after my son lost the phone. Both run headless and I installed the OS headless so the extra cost can still be quite low.
 
Old 12-12-2015, 07:22 AM   #6
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https://www.adafruit.com/ ...had some "must haves" for me like tiny heat sinks.

I got a backseat DVD player cheep from a thrift store, with inputs and an internal battery that makes a grate screen. Can always find cords there too; tho I live near lots of thrift stores, there's ebay++?
 
Old 12-12-2015, 07:26 AM   #7
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Maybe I should get this instead: Click image for larger version

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Hi,

Thermionic coolers are energy pigs. If your system is meant to be portable then you would need a large power source for that system. Not very useful for a portable embed system or a remote system that would require independent power source just for the cooler. A fan that runs on 20 mA would be much better or just use a proper heat sink or heat pipe for the power hungry devices that require cooling.
Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
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Sorry missing a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_generator

Maybe not feasible on such a small scale or that I haven't really looked at them much since I saw this: http://www.biolitestove.com/products/biolite-campstove ?
 
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The zero comes with wifi iirc, so you're not buying ethernet cables and hubs, which you would need for any of the other models. So you're still saving $30 on the price and another $10+ each on cables. Let's face it, you're probably not buying a pi for the compute cycles. Probably more to do with the pins and the option to offload tasks to dedicated computers. As in I don't want to run IRC, or an SSH "server" on my daily driver, given "other" options.
 
Old 12-12-2015, 09:55 AM   #11
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I don't think it has WiFi?
 
Old 12-12-2015, 10:38 AM   #12
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If you are going to use a Thermionic as a Thermoelectric generator (TEG) then you must size the sink area properly (TEG size). Thermal conduction for a thermionic can create issues if the sink (TEG) is not sized properly. You may need to introduce a block or heat sink. Energy created could be used to provide a small charge current that would require a charge controller that must be used for batteries to be safely used. You would not want that battery system to catch fire like the poorly designed hoverboards that are exploding when charging the lithium-ion battery. I would keep my battery system to a Ni-Cd and size for life of the system and charge cycles.

Personally, I would not use a TEG since the thermal conductivity can be low(necessary for TEG) for the materials used for the heat sink & Hot side of TEG size matching to the cooled device. Your use of a thermal paste between the TEG & device will introduce some losses due to poor heat transfer between devices, even though paste is used to maximize the transfer to the TEG, positive contact is a must have. You should use a sink to transfer between the device and TEG which TEG(area) alone would not provide maximum thermal transference for your cooled device to safely cool the device if TEG is under sized. If you oversized the TEG then there will be over lap that will not provide the best effect for the TEG.That is one reason to introduce a block between the cooled device and TEG for maximizing the transfer area.

Better off just dissipating with a heat sink the waste energy to insure device cooling. Plus a cheaper design with a proper sink sized for cooling.
Just my
Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
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A little simplistic, I know, but I can't help but wish for a Copper clad device with heat sinks to the case and the rest either epoxy or hydrophibic.
 
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The epoxy with a very high silver content was hard to find and not cheep. I will not try braking it off the chip, that's for sure.

When I got my Pi\256MB the next one came out, since I've wanted it for bigger projects. So maybe someday I will try it? And, now the Pi0!

Something like two small TEG's one for CPU and one on USB\WiFi\GSM*:
with help: https://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/ele...#xtocid1093418
then maybe: http://www.re-innovation.co.uk/web12...ower-switching
plus: http://www.re-innovation.co.uk/web12...icrocontroller
and too many DIY's to list...

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Out of stock but,

https://learn.adafruit.com/search?q=pi20zero

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Even if we do not have this product in stock individually, it may still be available in starter packs or budget packs!
https://www.adafruit.com/product/2885
 
  


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