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Old 05-10-2012, 05:53 PM   #1
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Smile Stability comparision of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with Debian 6 Squeeze!


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I have read a lot about Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and most reviews say its extremely stable. I would like to know your opinions about this. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is without doubt the first Ubuntu edition which is very stable and mostly bug free at release. This is what most reviews say. And if that is correct, give it a year and with updates from Canonical it could be as stable and bug free as Debian 6 is. This is what I think. What you think about this? Am I correct?
 
Old 05-10-2012, 06:55 PM   #2
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I think it is the wrong approach. The LTS versions are the versions that Canonical aims to be used by enterprise users. Enterprise users don't accept to be part of the beta phase, they want OSes that are tested before release. Debian's beta phase (the time Testing is frozen) is usually as long as the whole release cycle for Ubuntu. So Debian stable will always be more stable than Ubuntu LTS. When in one year, as you think, Ubuntu reaches the state of Debian Stable a new stable version will already be released.
What many people fail to see is that Canonical is a commercial company, at some point they have to make money. Much of that will be made in the embedded sector, if Ubuntu on Android will be a success, or Ubuntu on TVs or something similar. But when they want to make money from the enterprise sector they have to deliver a stable and almost bug-free version at release, not a year or so later.
This will only be possible if they get the LTS versions out of their normal release cycle and spend them a release cycle that is appropriate for an enterprise version. At this point, not even Canonical thinks that 12.04 LTS is good enough and recommends to users of previous LTS versions to wait for the first point release before they upgrade.

By the way, most of those reviews you speak of were written shortly after 12.04 was released. Simply not enough time yet to say anything about the stability.

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Old 05-10-2012, 09:09 PM   #3
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I must agree with everything that TobiSGD mentioned. On a more personal note, I switched from Ubuntu Maverick to Debian Squeeze about a year ago and I doubt that even Ubuntu Lucid, which is also an LTS release comes even close to being as stable as Squeeze.

While I'll never say never, I doubt it very much that I'll ever go back to Ubuntu.
 
Old 05-11-2012, 10:17 PM   #4
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While I'll never say never, I doubt it very much that I'll ever go back to Ubuntu.
Couldn't agree more. Ubuntu is so unstable it should be considered 'development'. Every update seems to break something new. Who can run a business when every machine in the office breaks every other week?
 
Old 05-11-2012, 10:34 PM   #5
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Everything said by the other posters is spot on the mark but they neglect to say that Squeeze and 12.04 are not fair comparisons because 12.04 is based on Wheezy while Squeeze is comparable to 10.04. To be fair to both distros you would need to run a current Wheezy along side a 12.04 and see what is more stable.
 
Old 05-11-2012, 11:33 PM   #6
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Everything said by the other posters is spot on the mark but they neglect to say that Squeeze and 12.04 are not fair comparisons because 12.04 is based on Wheezy while Squeeze is comparable to 10.04. To be fair to both distros you would need to run a current Wheezy along side a 12.04 and see what is more stable.
The point being Wheezy is not (yet) a stable release, whereas 12.04 is.
 
Old 05-12-2012, 12:20 AM   #7
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The point being Wheezy is not (yet) a stable release, whereas 12.04 is.
No, not at all actually.

The point is the comparison between Squeeze and 12.04 is not valid because Squeeze is comparable to 10.04. If we want a valid comparison at least use comparable material.
 
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No, not at all actually.

The point is the comparison between Squeeze and 12.04 is not valid because Squeeze is comparable to 10.04. If we want a valid comparison at least use comparable material.
Agreed, however you still can't do any sort of valid comparison until Wheezy is stable.
 
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The point is that Canonical wants Ubuntu 12.04 LTS to be an enterprise grade distro, like RHEL or Debian. So it has to compete with the latest versions of their distros, not their current testing versions, in stability. And it simply can't be as stable as distros that are so well tested.
Since even Canonical knows that I wonder why they nonetheless keep their development model.
 
Old 05-12-2012, 10:15 AM   #10
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Everything said by the other posters is spot on the mark but they neglect to say that Squeeze and 12.04 are not fair comparisons because 12.04 is based on Wheezy while Squeeze is comparable to 10.04. To be fair to both distros you would need to run a current Wheezy along side a 12.04 and see what is more stable.
Even if you compare Debian Wheezy, or to be technically correct, Debian Testing, it is far more stable than 12.04 which is supposed to be 'stable'.

On the other hand, there is no comparison between Debian stable (Squeeze) and 10.04 (Lucid) as far as stability is concerned,

If you always want the latest and greatest apps, then by all means go with Ubuntu, but if stability is your main concern, Ubuntu would be a rather poor choice.

When I switched to Squeeze, I wanted the latest release of Banshee, Cairo-Dock and Compiz. So I built them from source. And even then, I've had no issues with them in the last year or so that I've been using Squeeze, even with all of the updates released for Squeeze since.

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Old 05-12-2012, 02:48 PM   #11
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The point is that Canonical wants Ubuntu 12.04 LTS to be an enterprise grade distro, like RHEL or Debian.
And comparing it to Windows 7 it probably is.

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Even if you compare Debian Wheezy, or to be technically correct, Debian Testing, it is far more stable than 12.04 which is supposed to be 'stable'.
"technically correct"? It is Wheezy, you can point the sources.list to wheezy and get the exact same. Technically correct isn't required here and now when the OP asked about 12.04 and Squeeze.

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On the other hand, there is no comparison between Debian stable (Squeeze) and 10.04 (Lucid) as far as stability is concerned,
In my opinion they are just about on a par now but then again I don't use 10.04 as my daily nor do I use squeeze as my daily but when I use them they both behave pretty much the same.

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When I switched to Squeeze, I wanted the latest release of Banshee, Cairo-Dock and Compiz. So I built them from source. And even then, I've had no issues with them in the last year or so that I've been using Squeeze, even with all of the updates released for Squeeze since.
No need to compile yourself use backports or have a mixed system Debian Sid is pretty much the latest and greatest, if not, use Experimental.
 
  


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