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Old 05-25-2014, 06:24 PM   #16
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Took a quick look at manjaro, but am not quite convinced. It just looks like a dumbed down version of arch.
If you want a quick way to Arch, you could always look at Antergos, as it aims at ease-of-use like Manjaro, however it uses the Arch repos instead of its own.

Archbang's good too if you want more of a Crunchbang-style Arch install.

I know Archbang can be converted to regular Arch by changing its default configuration around, and I assume the same can be done with Antergos.
 
Old 05-25-2014, 10:45 PM   #17
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Arch is definitely the best rolling-release distro I've used. But, I haven't used Gentoo. I do have a Sabayon installation that I've been nursing along for some time now.

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You want up-to-date, but not too up-to-date?
In other words, you want software hot off the presses, but do not want to do the work necessary to keep a rolling release functioning. If you do not want to babysit your system, it would be best to give up on the idea of a rolling release. Shiny New Shit syndrome has a strong pull, but there is a price to be paid for using a system that keeps everything shiny and new.
I feel the same way. I like running Debian Stable along with Arch; the "shiny and new," but also the "always solid and dependable."
 
Old 05-29-2014, 12:18 PM   #18
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Tobi, aren't you concerned about the wear-and-tear that Gentoo subjects your system to, due to all that compiling?
 
Old 05-29-2014, 02:06 PM   #19
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Which wear-and-tear do you mean?
 
Old 05-29-2014, 02:17 PM   #20
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Which wear-and-tear do you mean?
The wear-and-tear caused by the massive amount of compiling that you need to do as a Gentoo user. At the very least, it's a lot of wear on the hard drive (both SSDs and rotary hard drives expire after a certain number of writes). And if you don't have good cooling, then it's also very hard on the CPU.

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Old 05-29-2014, 02:35 PM   #21
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Wear-out of SSDs by excessive writing is a thing from the past and simply doesn't apply to modern SSDs, so I wouldn't be concerned about that if I would using the SSD for compiling, but I have configured my system to do the compiling on a tmpfs anyways, so that is a non-issue.
Regarding the CPU and cooling, I use this CPU cooler in this case (with one 200mm fan intake, one 200mm (top) and one 120mm (rear) fan outtake). This is under full load while compiling a kernel with -j7 on my Phenom II X6 1055T (125W version):
Code:
>>> sensors                                                                                                                                                                                                             demon 20:32:59 ~ [INS]
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +38.5C  (crit = +120.0C, hyst = +90.0C)

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +27.8C  (high = +70.0C)
                       (crit = +90.0C, hyst = +85.0C)

it8721-isa-0290
Adapter: ISA adapter
in0:          +2.81 V  (min =  +2.46 V, max =  +1.42 V)  ALARM
in1:          +2.87 V  (min =  +2.68 V, max =  +1.86 V)  ALARM
in2:          +1.34 V  (min =  +0.37 V, max =  +2.03 V)
+3.3V:        +3.31 V  (min =  +5.42 V, max =  +2.98 V)  ALARM
in4:          +1.42 V  (min =  +1.87 V, max =  +2.10 V)  ALARM
in5:          +2.50 V  (min =  +2.82 V, max =  +1.21 V)  ALARM
in6:          +1.31 V  (min =  +1.84 V, max =  +2.63 V)  ALARM
3VSB:         +3.19 V  (min =  +2.57 V, max =  +5.26 V)
Vbat:         +3.41 V  
fan1:         564 RPM  (min =   19 RPM)
fan2:         756 RPM  (min =   14 RPM)
fan3:         403 RPM  (min =   29 RPM)
temp1:        +36.0C  (low  = -84.0C, high =  +4.0C)  ALARM  sensor = thermistor
temp2:        +26.0C  (low  = +127.0C, high = +127.0C)  sensor = thermistor
temp3:       -128.0C  (low  = +63.0C, high = -91.0C)  sensor = disabled
intrusion0:  OK
Room temperature is about 20C. The Phenom II sensors are not very accurate in that temperature range, I usually add a 10C safety margin. CPU temperature gets about 10 higher when I overclock that machine (3.3GHz instead of 2.8GHz).

Long story short, neither wear out nor temperatures are an issue for me.
 
Old 05-29-2014, 02:57 PM   #22
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Chakra is my choice. Technically it's a semi-rolling release. I'd say it's about 600 megs a month, mostly from KDE.
 
Old 05-29-2014, 03:08 PM   #23
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Here's my sugestion.

1] Arch
2] Manjaro
3] Gentoo
4] Debian [Testing]
5] Don't use a rolling release
 
Old 05-29-2014, 03:31 PM   #24
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Wear-out of SSDs by excessive writing is a thing from the past and simply doesn't apply to modern SSDs, so I wouldn't be concerned about that if I would using the SSD for compiling, but I have configured my system to do the compiling on a tmpfs anyways, so that is a non-issue.
Regarding the CPU and cooling, I use this CPU cooler in this case (with one 200mm fan intake, one 200mm (top) and one 120mm (rear) fan outtake). This is under full load while compiling a kernel with -j7 on my Phenom II X6 1055T (125W version):
Code:
>>> sensors                                                                                                                                                                                                             demon 20:32:59 ~ [INS]
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +38.5C  (crit = +120.0C, hyst = +90.0C)

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +27.8C  (high = +70.0C)
                       (crit = +90.0C, hyst = +85.0C)

it8721-isa-0290
Adapter: ISA adapter
in0:          +2.81 V  (min =  +2.46 V, max =  +1.42 V)  ALARM
in1:          +2.87 V  (min =  +2.68 V, max =  +1.86 V)  ALARM
in2:          +1.34 V  (min =  +0.37 V, max =  +2.03 V)
+3.3V:        +3.31 V  (min =  +5.42 V, max =  +2.98 V)  ALARM
in4:          +1.42 V  (min =  +1.87 V, max =  +2.10 V)  ALARM
in5:          +2.50 V  (min =  +2.82 V, max =  +1.21 V)  ALARM
in6:          +1.31 V  (min =  +1.84 V, max =  +2.63 V)  ALARM
3VSB:         +3.19 V  (min =  +2.57 V, max =  +5.26 V)
Vbat:         +3.41 V  
fan1:         564 RPM  (min =   19 RPM)
fan2:         756 RPM  (min =   14 RPM)
fan3:         403 RPM  (min =   29 RPM)
temp1:        +36.0C  (low  = -84.0C, high =  +4.0C)  ALARM  sensor = thermistor
temp2:        +26.0C  (low  = +127.0C, high = +127.0C)  sensor = thermistor
temp3:       -128.0C  (low  = +63.0C, high = -91.0C)  sensor = disabled
intrusion0:  OK
Room temperature is about 20C. The Phenom II sensors are not very accurate in that temperature range, I usually add a 10C safety margin. CPU temperature gets about 10 higher when I overclock that machine (3.3GHz instead of 2.8GHz).

Long story short, neither wear out nor temperatures are an issue for me.
Folks are a few years from understanding that..
 
Old 05-30-2014, 02:07 PM   #25
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Here's my sugestion.
4] Debian [Testing]
I would recommend Unstable (sid) before Testing. Ironically, unstable is generally more stable than testing.
 
  


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